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Dec 13, 2022 21:42:39   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Chopper Bill wrote:
Back in the 70's I trained independent photographers to feed my darkroom. They often brought in high end equipment that they didn't really need. Then to prove it I took them to a bridge and asked them to shoot the river scene below it. I then made am image on sheet film taped inside the back of a shoe box with a pinhole lens that I uncovered momentarily to make the exposure. Back in the darkroom I printed a contact print that made my point that it wasn't just the cost of the equipment that produced good results.

Nikon says that at ISO 100 I've got 14.5 stops latitude in the digital exposure. Of course, a print can barely give you 5 stops latitude so something has to be done. I expose for highlights because if they're blown they're lost, and then I dig out the details from the shadows. It's time consuming but now that I'm 74 and retired, I've only got to please myself. I'm so OCP (Obsessive Compulsive Perfectionist) that I'll work on the same print for hours 'til I'm satisfied. Price is no object.

Can you dig it?
Back in the 70's I trained independent photographe... (show quote)


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Good advice except for your last crack---"Can you dig it?" I might return the same now to you???

Yes, I can dig it. When I was a freshman in HS--1956---the Chemistry teacher asked me to give a lecture in his Chemistry class, even though I was not a member until Junior year, but had been hired by the Senior class for all the group photos for the Senior Annual. I had made and marketed a Junior High Sn Class Photo. Well I gave the photo chemistry lecture as well as taking a photo of a student and processing and printing it---all in a "changing bag" during my lecture. Yes, I am experienced plus, I dig quality and yes, anybody should figure that exposing for what can never be"recovered" i.e. highlights---is a good practice.-------------ew

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Dec 13, 2022 21:50:27   #
Chopper Bill Loc: East Tennessee
 
frankraney wrote:
I can.


Yes, you can. I especially liked your Blood Moon.


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Dec 13, 2022 22:00:23   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Grahame wrote:
Is there no end to your childish whining?

Someone mentions they have done something in 'photoshop' and you jump on it as a chance to voice your disgruntlement about the cost of it.

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Your darn right! UHH is an "educational" site and knowledge must be repeated to sink in--even to your head?------Adobe is a predator sales operation and people not owning their software should learn there are better and cheaper ways. It is not a badge of professionalism to say you use Adobe software. Now are you going to post some crazy caricatures to go along with your insulting post?------------ew

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Dec 13, 2022 22:26:23   #
Chopper Bill Loc: East Tennessee
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
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Good advice except for your last crack---"Can you dig it?" I might return the same now to you???

Yes, I can dig it. When I was a freshman in HS--1956---the Chemistry teacher asked me to give a lecture in his Chemistry class, even though I was not a member until Junior year, but had been hired by the Senior class for all the group photos for the Senior Annual. I had made and marketed a Junior High Sn Class Photo. Well I gave the photo chemistry lecture as well as taking a photo of a student and processing and printing it---all in a "changing bag" during my lecture. Yes, I am experienced plus, I dig quality and yes, anybody should figure that exposing for what can never be"recovered" i.e. highlights---is a good practice.-------------ew
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For goodness sakes, what about "Can you dig It" set you off. Only old badgers like us would know anything about such primitive darkroom skullduggery as working in a bag. What part of checking your BW print as it bloomed in your developer and judiciously flipping it into the stop bath do you think wasn't modifying, or at least controlling your SOOC image?

Careful now or were going to generate comments about exposing to the right.

PS I'm glad you had such a successful high school photography experience.

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Dec 13, 2022 23:04:54   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
burkphoto wrote:
I think what most people don't like is OVER-processed images. If you can tell an image is post-processed and you don't like the effect, then the photographer failed. If an image is processed nicely, whether in camera or after the fact, can you tell the difference?


Probably not!

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Dec 13, 2022 23:37:08   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Probably not!


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Certainly the entire question of image modification is a"nothing burger." It was practiced in film and now in digital imagery--in both the camera and post. I had never heard those letters introduced here to suggest---"right out of the camera usage" images before UHH right now in this thread. But it can be agreed that an unrealistic photo is just that---some form of alternative art work---not liked by most.---------------

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Dec 13, 2022 23:50:02   #
User ID
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
Well, I'm late to the party. So late that this post will probably not be seen. However, it's on the internet so I. MUST give my opinion.

One can post SOOC if you shoot raw only.
Converting raw to jpg does involve modification, but extracting the jpg preview from a raw file does not.
The jpg preview SOOC has whatever preset processes/styles applied by your camera. Whether you would have applied them in post is your problem.

What is SOOC?

Having skimmed through 8 pages of comments, there are more than one definition here. My definition is that an SOOC image is a jpg (or other image format depending on your camera) that comes directly from the camera as a file (including the jpg preview embedded in the raw file). (Note that I do not view the raw data as an image format since it requires processing to become a meaningful viewable image. There are others who hold a different view).

And now, the controversial stuff:

Why use SOOC images? Or not?

There is nothing inherently wrong with using an SOOC image. If it pleases you, you are completely free to do so.

I postprocess ALL my images. Not because all the images need technical adjustment, but because, more often than not, I want to adjust the aspect ratio of the resulting image to fit a composition that pleases me. Few of my images fit the native aspect ratio of the camera. But beyond that, there are some images that are challenged by the dynamic range of the subject, and postprocessing can mitigate that. There are some images that are taken in challenging lighting conditions and white balance has to be adjusted to correct that. Some images are taken of transient images, for which there is no time to make camera adjustments beyond the generic settings, so yes, exposure may not be perfect.

But most of all, all my images are imported into Lightroom. It is my memory. I may or may not do technical adjustments, but they go into a program that provides that capability because it also provides me with a way to find the image in the future.

Most of my reasons have already been mentioned above. This is just another data point for the query.
Well, I'm late to the party. So late that this pos... (show quote)


Youre not only late, your post is too damnt looooong :-)

Yes yes, I know, no ones forcing me to read it. Thaz why I didnt.

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Dec 13, 2022 23:59:18   #
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LFingar wrote:
Apparently anyone not using a Sigma Foveon X3 is using a "synthetic" camera. Whatever that is. A digital camera is nothing more then a computer that interprets data input from a source. In this case, a sensor. An algorithm is nothing more then a set of instructions telling the computer how to perform a given function. Your Sigma uses algorithms. Just like a phone camera. You seem to love the word "synthetic", using it to imply that your personal choice in cameras is superior. Exactly what does that mean, "synthetic"? That you have only to press the shutter release and you have produced a perfect photo? I really doubt that. Your camera is no big deal. No more so then any other high end camera and without ever seeing an image from your Sigma I highly doubt that the finished product is superior. If your relatives buy cheap phone cameras or don't know how to use what they have, perhaps you should explain to them how to do better because phone cameras can take outstanding photos. Given the physical constraints of a phone those cameras are truely amazing and are most definitely "real" cameras. BTW, I am no big fan of phone cameras. I have an iPhone 12 but rarely use the camera. I rarely use the phone even. Retired. Don't call me, I'll call you, etc, etc. I believe in giving credit where credit is due and phone cameras deserve a lot of credit. I also dislike people who smugly look down on others just because they do things differently.
Apparently anyone not using a Sigma Foveon X3 is u... (show quote)

Youve wrongly accused him of not posting evidence of superior nonsynthetic Foveon imaging. Below is his posted evidence of cage free, nonGMO, purely organic, 100% pesticide free, sustainably grown, and ethically harvested, pure Foveon glory.


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Dec 14, 2022 00:08:21   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
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------Adobe is a predator sales operation and people not owning their software should learn there are better and cheaper ways......................................

Most learn from those that can demonstrate or explain why something is "better". Do you consider you're capable of that?

How does anyone know what experience you have of modern digital post processing, the genres of photography and their various challenges you are well experienced with? You may be someone using or needing from zero to minimal processing tools or someone requiring more, which is it?

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Dec 14, 2022 08:06:21   #
LFingar Loc: Claverack, NY
 
User ID wrote:
Youve wrongly accused him of not posting evidence of superior nonsynthetic Foveon imaging. Below is his posted evidence of cage free, nonGMO, purely organic, 100% pesticide free, sustainably grown, and ethically harvested, pure Foveon glory.


Impressive! Where can I get one?

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Dec 14, 2022 08:13:50   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
OldSchool-WI wrote:
...Adobe is a predator sales operation and people not owning their software should learn there are better and cheaper ways...


There are indeed cheaper ways. Whether they are better or not is a matter of opinion.

You get what you pay for. We all know that's not always true, but it is true often enough that the saying persists.

And you NEVER own your software. You license it. The license is revocable, but that is rarely enforced. The real limitation on 'perpetual' software is the OS.

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Dec 14, 2022 08:33:39   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
And you NEVER own your software. You license it. The license is revocable, but that is rarely enforced. The real limitation on 'perpetual' software is the OS.

There is a more subtle way that a "perpetual" license can expire.

I had a copy of PS Elements 11 running on Windows 7. I needed to reinstall the operating system after a crash so I reinstalled it and entered the serial number.

But in order to get it to run it needed to be activated. Adobe would not activate it. The perpetual license turned out to be only temporary.

But I also had a copy of PSE 9 that I was able to install and it did not need to be activated. That license was truly perpetual.

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Dec 14, 2022 11:27:04   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
There are indeed cheaper ways. Whether they are better or not is a matter of opinion.

You get what you pay for. We all know that's not always true, but it is true often enough that the saying persists.

And you NEVER own your software. You license it. The license is revocable, but that is rarely enforced. The real limitation on 'perpetual' software is the OS.


Right on.

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Dec 14, 2022 11:31:06   #
User ID
 
LFingar wrote:
Impressive! Where can I get one?

Ask him if he will part with one. He is apparently barely using them, if at all.

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Dec 15, 2022 01:13:25   #
OldSchool-WI Loc: Brandon, Wisconsin 53919
 
_________________________(Replyto USER ID---the general spoiler of UHH)

I see you have not lost your touch with posting YOUR ALTERED VERSION of my roofer post of a year ago! Where is the moderator and my implied copyright---particularly on alterations! MAY YOU HAVE COAL IN YOUR CHRISTMAS STOCKING ----from all those on UHH who are FED UP with your late night psychiatric meltdowns. This is indeed a site for opinions--mostly from experience and those subscribing here understand that. You can read things and take advice as you see fit. IT IS NOT A SITE for year long personal attacks from failing minds like obviously you have. So pleasant Christmas with your COAL FILL stocking-----Eric

[Just what "UserID" Anonymous?---posted and I answered above:-----[quote=User ID]Youve wrongly accused him of not posting evidence of superior nonsynthetic Foveon imaging. Below is his posted evidence of cage free, nonGMO, purely organic, 100% pesticide free, sustainably grown, and ethically harvested, pure Foveon glory.[/quote]

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