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Nov 6, 2022 10:13:45   #
FrumCA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Always loved this meme!



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Nov 6, 2022 10:37:03   #
cyan Loc: Northern NJ
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Did he allow for cloudy days? Politicians and science - like oil and water.


HA!!!!! YES!

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Nov 6, 2022 10:46:11   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
Internal clocks are best!

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Nov 6, 2022 10:52:58   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Nalu wrote:
Internal clocks are best!


I agree. Do what you want, when you want, if you are allowed... and still able!

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Nov 6, 2022 12:02:09   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
JohnFrim wrote:
I think there are a lot of “scientific” arguments presented, both pro and con DST, that are smoke and mirrors.

One argument I saw talked about the detrimental effects of 1 hour less sleep each night. The day still has 24 hours, and work hours are still the same, so there is no reason to get less sleep.

In February 1974 Florida repealed Nixon’s permanent DST law because children were being hit by cars because it was dark when they went to school. Why is this not an issue for people living in higher northern latitudes (Canada, Alaska) where the number of “daylight hours” is greatly reduced in winter regardless of STD or DST?

“Science” suggests that there are serious health issues when the body’s circadian clock does not match the natural solar clock. Aren’t a lot of people exposed to this problem regardless of STD time or DST if they live close to a time zone border?

Science says the body can easily accommodate a circadian time shift of about 1 hour per day, meaning that travelling to a location with a 5 hour time shift (eg, Europe) requires about 5 days to fully adapt. With the STD/DST change being implemented on a Saturday night, why should adaptation take a week (the argument being more car accidents, etc for days following the change)?

Perhaps another option is to leave the clocks alone (the argument being it is a pain to adjust all the clocks in the house) and just shift activity times (work, school) by 30 minutes every 3 months to make the changes more gradual.
I think there are a lot of “scientific” arguments ... (show quote)


Over the years, companies have paid scientists to tell us that adding lead to gasoline wasn't harmful. Scientists also told us that cigarette smoking was fine. Some people will say anyting for a buck. Just because someone has a job as a scientist, that doesn't mean he speaks the truth.

DST Bad -
https://www.google.com/search?q=daylight+saving+time+is+bad&oq=daylight+saving+time+is+bad&aqs=edge..69i57j0i22i30l4j0i15i22i30l2j0i22i30j69i61.6535j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

DST good -
Not many "good" links on the first page. There are even links to the harmful effects on this page. See what is good about it and see how that compares with the bad. Basically, it's unnatural.

As they say, "Follow the money." "According to Downing, the effort to roll the clocks ahead is also an initiative pushed by the business community." Changing the clocks proved to be a major benefit to golfers, believe it or not. "It turns out, the farmers have always hated daylight saving." Check out the link below.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/who-really-benefits-daylight-savings

If businesses make money from it, there's little chance that it will disappear.

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Nov 6, 2022 12:38:43   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Over the years, companies have paid scientists to tell us that adding lead to gasoline wasn't harmful. Scientists also told us that cigarette smoking was fine. Some people will say anyting for a buck. Just because someone has a job as a scientist, that doesn't mean he speaks the truth.

DST Bad -
https://www.google.com/search?q=daylight+saving+time+is+bad&oq=daylight+saving+time+is+bad&aqs=edge..69i57j0i22i30l4j0i15i22i30l2j0i22i30j69i61.6535j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

DST good -
Not many "good" links on the first page. There are even links to the harmful effects on this page. See what is good about it and see how that compares with the bad. Basically, it's unnatural.

As they say, "Follow the money." "According to Downing, the effort to roll the clocks ahead is also an initiative pushed by the business community." Changing the clocks proved to be a major benefit to golfers, believe it or not. "It turns out, the farmers have always hated daylight saving." Check out the link below.
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/takeaway/segments/who-really-benefits-daylight-savings

If businesses make money from it, there's little chance that it will disappear.
Over the years, companies have paid scientists to ... (show quote)

Yea.....

I'm still in that 50% by the way.

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Nov 6, 2022 21:37:13   #
cameranut Loc: North Carolina
 
Since I'm retired it doesn't really matter, but when I was getting up at 5:30 am to go to work, daylight saving time really sucked. Now I just wish it could stay one way period! I don't think it's healthy mentally or physically to keep getting jerked around time wise.

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Nov 7, 2022 07:47:33   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
cameranut wrote:
Since I'm retired it doesn't really matter, but when I was getting up at 5:30 am...


I arrived at 6:30, but it was a short drive. I liked to get there early to get organized without rushing.

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Nov 7, 2022 07:49:01   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
FrumCA wrote:
A busy night at Stonehenge this Sunday as the staff work all night to move the stones back 1 hour!


Ah, yes. The annual stone moving.

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Nov 7, 2022 08:08:16   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Unless things change, the United States will be switching to Daylight Saving Time permanently. What do you think of this? Scientists don't like it because it goes against the body's natural clock. How about the rest of the world? It won't be as easy to figure time differences by simply counting time zones, depending on what time other countries use. Some countries change the time, and some used to change. Maybe I'll decide for myself and use that time as my own standard.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/should-we-make-daylight-saving-time-permanent-lets-sleep-on-it/
https://www.statista.com/chart/24473/countries-changing-clock-daylight-savings/#:~:text=Outside%20of%20Europe%20and%20North,Zealand%20and%20parts%20of%20Australia.
Unless things change, the United States will be sw... (show quote)


This has been tried in the past. Daylight savings time in the winter means our kids will be going to school in the dark.
This brings up case for safety with all the crazy drivers in the morning . Standard time year round makes more sense.

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Nov 7, 2022 09:56:18   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
I hate driving home in the dark... Those of us who work, don't get a minute of light after work and barely none into work.

Leave it at daylight savings time year round.

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Nov 7, 2022 10:03:36   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
RichieC wrote:
I hate driving home in the dark... Those of us who work, don't get a minute of light after work and barely none into work.

Leave it at daylight savings time year round.


Maybe Earth 2 will have two suns and perpetual daylight.

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Nov 7, 2022 10:11:09   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Maybe Earth 2 will have two suns and perpetual daylight.


How about a few large mirrors orbiting the earth to provide sunlight to the dark side? Or some solar powered super-bright led light satellites beaming their light down at us?

OK, time to get realistic...

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Nov 7, 2022 10:59:04   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
JohnFrim wrote:
How about a few large mirrors orbiting the earth to provide sunlight to the dark side? Or some solar powered super-bright led light satellites beaming their light down at us?

OK, time to get realistic...


I think it's been tried by Russia?

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Nov 7, 2022 12:16:45   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
alberio wrote:
I think it's been tried by Russia?


Yes, and it failed miserably and was not pursued. Interesting to read about space mirrors being used not to add light to the dark side of earth, but to deflect light from the earth to reduce global warming.

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