Ancient Egyptian Writings Confirm Exodus Account In The Bible (Page 5): You will understand in the end.

LightBender Loc: Paradise, TX

You will understand in the end.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

soba1 wrote:

The subject of heaven. br br While we are a live ... (show quote)

You really think there is a "party" and that you will be eating, drinking (Heaven has toilets???), listening to music (no dancing for some religions???)? How old will you be, and how old will your relatives and friends who went before you be, when you finally meet them again? Will those who died in infancy be children forever? Will folks like my old grandparents be old and grumpy like when they died, or younger and happy like when they played with me as a child? Will veterans who lost their limbs in service to their country get their legs back or will they be in electric wheelchairs with rapid charging stations?

Soba, if there really is a Heaven you will not be enjoying it with a body and mind like you have here on earth. Your "soul" will go to Heaven, not your body. You will not be "resurrected" again into flesh.

I hope to live a long time and die of old age (maybe 100?), not disease. But if I get to Heaven for the "party" I don't want to be 100 years old and unable to enjoy my time there.

You really have to change your concept of what Heaven might be and not carry your earthly existence forward.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

JohnFrim wrote:

Your elephant photo reminds me of a joke... br br... (show quote)

lol, Don't give cwappy the wrong idea about vegetables.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

LightBender wrote:

You will understand in the end.

Radar? Radar O'Reilly? Is that you?

Rose42

mwalsh wrote:

I feel you frank.

You're a fairy tale and no one believes you either!

LoL

Rose42

JohnFrim wrote:

Oh give me a break! So it is all woman's (Eve's) fault?

I call BIG BS on that one!!! Does your wife know that is what you believe?

No its not all Eve’s fault. Christians don’t believe that

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

JohnFrim wrote:

You really think there is a "party" and ... (show quote)

It was just an analogy

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

Rose42 wrote:

No its not all Eve’s fault. Christians don’t believe that

Well, in all my Christian education I never heard that Man was created perfect and would never die, until Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

How would you interpret Soba’s comment?

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

I have posed a lot of questions in this thread about religious beliefs, but none have actually been answered. Why not, or why the deflection away from the nub of the issue? Blind faith???

soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca

JohnFrim wrote:

Well, in all my Christian education I never heard that Man was created perfect and would never die, until Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit.

How would you interpret Soba’s comment?

That might be a Steve answer, I do believe he is more of a Biblical scholar than I

pendennis

JohnFrim wrote:

I have posed a lot of questions in this thread about religious beliefs, but none have actually been answered. Why not, or why the deflection away from the nub of the issue? Blind faith???

While you and I have a lot of difference on other subjects, I find that we may have some common ground, at least in this discussion.

Faith is intensively personal, therefore there will be a nearly unlimited number of beliefs about what constitutes faith. For example, heaven and hell are not necessarily "places", but are actually states of mind. Faith makes folks look at heaven, dead relatives, etc., in unique lights. And I don't believe it's in the purview of anyone to tell another just what consists of "heaven" or "hell"

Deities came into being when mankind started to wonder about natural phenomena, but had no explanation for its source. At its most basic, fire creates ashes from combustible materials, but how? Until folks understood chemical combustion, some deity caused it.

Just how did the elements get here? Until astrophysics explained the creation of ever-heavier elements from hydrogen fusion, it was easy not to seek a deeper understanding, finally getting back to the Big Bang.

Even the Roman Catholic Church has had to yield to science in some respects. George LeMaître, considered the "father" of the Big Bang, wasn't excommunicated.

During my youth, I would occasionally have nightmares about large fuel storage tanks, and for years, I couldn't get my head around those nightmares. We frequently went on Sunday evening drives, and we would drive past those refineries which yielded a distinct sulfur smell. I found out later that the smell of sulfur, which permeates a lot of refining facilities, could cause nightmares. It wasn't a stretch to believe that others smelling sulfur would have similar "visions", especially where they were scared, creating the "fire and brimstone" concept of hell.

I was raised in a family which held fairly deep religious beliefs. However, as I aged, and my knowledge expanded, there became more and more phenomena which couldn't be explained as a matter of faith. I could no longer accept an deific concept which couldn't explain what came before the earth was created. Finally, I refused to accept articles of faith on anything.

Yes, I celebrate Christmas as a holiday in which folks display extraordinary giving and love, not normally seen at other times of the year.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

pendennis wrote:

While you and I have a lot of difference on other subjects, I find that we may have some common ground, at least in this discussion.

Faith is intensively personal, therefore there will be a nearly unlimited number of beliefs about what constitutes faith. For example, heaven and hell are not necessarily "places", but are actually states of mind. Faith makes folks look at heaven, dead relatives, etc., in unique lights. And I don't believe it's in the purview of anyone to tell another just what consists of "heaven" or "hell"

Deities came into being when mankind started to wonder about natural phenomena, but had no explanation for its source. At its most basic, fire creates ashes from combustible materials, but how? Until folks understood chemical combustion, some deity caused it.

Just how did the elements get here? Until astrophysics explained the creation of ever-heavier elements from hydrogen fusion, it was easy not to seek a deeper understanding, finally getting back to the Big Bang.

Even the Roman Catholic Church has had to yield to science in some respects. George LeMaître, considered the "father" of the Big Bang, wasn't excommunicated.

During my youth, I would occasionally have nightmares about large fuel storage tanks, and for years, I couldn't get my head around those nightmares. We frequently went on Sunday evening drives, and we would drive past those refineries which yielded a distinct sulfur smell. I found out later that the smell of sulfur, which permeates a lot of refining facilities, could cause nightmares. It wasn't a stretch to believe that others smelling sulfur would have similar "visions", especially where they were scared, creating the "fire and brimstone" concept of hell.

I was raised in a family which held fairly deep religious beliefs. However, as I aged, and my knowledge expanded, there became more and more phenomena which couldn't be explained as a matter of faith. I could no longer accept an deific concept which couldn't explain what came before the earth was created. Finally, I refused to accept articles of faith on anything.

Yes, I celebrate Christmas as a holiday in which folks display extraordinary giving and love, not normally seen at other times of the year.

While you and I have a lot of difference on other ... (show quote)

Well on the "tune" of religion I think we are marching to the same beat.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

pendennis wrote:

While you and I have a lot of difference on other subjects, I find that we may have some common ground, at least in this discussion.

Faith is intensively personal, therefore there will be a nearly unlimited number of beliefs about what constitutes faith. For example, heaven and hell are not necessarily "places", but are actually states of mind. Faith makes folks look at heaven, dead relatives, etc., in unique lights. And I don't believe it's in the purview of anyone to tell another just what consists of "heaven" or "hell"

Deities came into being when mankind started to wonder about natural phenomena, but had no explanation for its source. At its most basic, fire creates ashes from combustible materials, but how? Until folks understood chemical combustion, some deity caused it.

Just how did the elements get here? Until astrophysics explained the creation of ever-heavier elements from hydrogen fusion, it was easy not to seek a deeper understanding, finally getting back to the Big Bang.

Even the Roman Catholic Church has had to yield to science in some respects. George LeMaître, considered the "father" of the Big Bang, wasn't excommunicated.

During my youth, I would occasionally have nightmares about large fuel storage tanks, and for years, I couldn't get my head around those nightmares. We frequently went on Sunday evening drives, and we would drive past those refineries which yielded a distinct sulfur smell. I found out later that the smell of sulfur, which permeates a lot of refining facilities, could cause nightmares. It wasn't a stretch to believe that others smelling sulfur would have similar "visions", especially where they were scared, creating the "fire and brimstone" concept of hell.

I was raised in a family which held fairly deep religious beliefs. However, as I aged, and my knowledge expanded, there became more and more phenomena which couldn't be explained as a matter of faith. I could no longer accept an deific concept which couldn't explain what came before the earth was created. Finally, I refused to accept articles of faith on anything.

Yes, I celebrate Christmas as a holiday in which folks display extraordinary giving and love, not normally seen at other times of the year.

While you and I have a lot of difference on other ... (show quote)

I like the states of mind concept when it comes to heaven and hell. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within us, it's not here or there.

We create our own heaven by the lives we lead. We also create our own hells in the here and now based upon the lives we lead and the choices we make.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

mwalsh wrote:

I like the states of mind concept when it comes to heaven and hell. Jesus said the kingdom of heaven is within us, it's not here or there.

We create our own heaven by the lives we lead. We also create our own hells in the here and now based upon the lives we lead and the choices we make.

So if heaven and hell are states of mind while we are alive, is there an eternity? I kinda think it's over when it's over.

Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas

Frank T wrote:

The Bible is a collection of fairy tales and this is no exception. According to the Bible, it took them 40 years to travel 250 miles. The average human being could crawl faster than that.
Just keep believing this nonsense, many do, but I'll never understand why.

Degrading the Bible is a true sign of an uninformed and rude person. I do not care for the "Islam" religion, but I would never degrade the Quaran. That's ok. God will get the last word. And no, I don't expect you to understand that.