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Apr 5, 2022 16:46:48   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
DennyT wrote:
"...His idea was to privatize everything....".



So, why would a wannabe "Dictator"
(as Dems seem to claim about Trump) work to privatize everything??

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Apr 5, 2022 17:03:39   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
DennyT wrote:
Woosh ….
I meant that if you blame congress and not the president . Be consistent not matter whines president.


Obummer had a willing socialist congress

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Apr 5, 2022 17:07:04   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Racmanaz wrote:
So, why would a wannabe "Dictator"
(as Dems seem to claim about Trump) work to privatize everything??


I Have no idea - who knows what went they that grade school mind of his . But it was his ideA. Privatization is a supposedly to leverage Scarce funds. Ask military families how they like privatization.
Looks good to the bean counters but the forever contracts always benefits the private industry not the users

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Apr 5, 2022 17:08:48   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
idaholover wrote:
Obummer had a willing socialist congress


So what ?and wasn’t it just his first two years not all 8.

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Apr 5, 2022 17:19:37   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
DennyT wrote:
I Have no idea - who knows what went they that grade school mind of his . But it was his ideA. Privatization is a supposedly to leverage Scarce funds. Ask military families how they like privatization.
Looks good to the bean counters but the forever contracts always benefits the private industry not the users


I asked my Navy vet daughter and lifer Army husband what they think of government health care and they say it sucks

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Apr 5, 2022 17:21:08   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
thom w wrote:
What wind farm are you referring to that allocates 1.2 acres per windmill? I see them so close together that it is a wonder their tips don't collide.


He does not know , just pulled a number out of context like say there was. 2030 msfstrvto be completely ICE

But .1.2 acres probably accurate.
Those blades are right at 300 ft and an acre bus only 208x208

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Apr 5, 2022 21:03:48   #
Wuligal Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
 
thom w wrote:
What wind farm are you referring to that allocates 1.2 acres per windmill? I see them so close together that it is a wonder their tips don't collide.


Some industry sources quote that a wind farm typically requires between 2 to 40 acres per megawatt of capacity, depending on a variety of factors. Open, flat terrain requires the most land, but only a very small amount of that land is used for turbines and associated infrastructure, such as access roads. The remainder is available for other uses, such as farming or ranching. A standard rule of thumb is that turbines should be spaced in a 5D x 10D grid, with D = diameter of rotor. As an example, for a GE 1.6 MW turbine with an 82.5 m rotor, that gives a little over 50 acres per MW. More recent research suggests that vertical wind turbines may be placed much more closely together so long as they are sited strategically to take advantage of downwind turbulance from neighboring turbines.

A 2009 report from the NREL studied land area uses for operating US wind farms and provided data showing that average area densities ranged from about 1 MW/sqkm to 8 MW/sqkm. Converted to acres per MW this range is about 30-250, wihich shows that the rule of thumb grid spacing falls within, but at the lower end of this range. It would also indicate that there hasn't been a strong incentive in the past to minimize spacing of turbines.

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Apr 6, 2022 09:17:49   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Wuligal wrote:
Some industry sources quote that a wind farm typically requires between 2 to 40 acres per megawatt of capacity, depending on a variety of factors. Open, flat terrain requires the most land, but only a very small amount of that land is used for turbines and associated infrastructure, such as access roads. The remainder is available for other uses, such as farming or ranching. A standard rule of thumb is that turbines should be spaced in a 5D x 10D grid, with D = diameter of rotor. As an example, for a GE 1.6 MW turbine with an 82.5 m rotor, that gives a little over 50 acres per MW. More recent research suggests that vertical wind turbines may be placed much more closely together so long as they are sited strategically to take advantage of downwind turbulance from neighboring turbines.

A 2009 report from the NREL studied land area uses for operating US wind farms and provided data showing that average area densities ranged from about 1 MW/sqkm to 8 MW/sqkm. Converted to acres per MW this range is about 30-250, wihich shows that the rule of thumb grid spacing falls within, but at the lower end of this range. It would also indicate that there hasn't been a strong incentive in the past to minimize spacing of turbines.
Some industry sources quote that a wind farm typic... (show quote)


Thank you. Some references or links would have been nice, not because I doubt you, because I don't, but so I could follow them. Still, thank you.

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Apr 7, 2022 13:43:44   #
Bob Smith Loc: Banjarmasin
 
As any ex power plant engineer will tell you nuclear is the only answer France has used nuclear power for many years. Renewables are notoriously unreliable and baseload consistency is a must which can only be environmentally done by nuclear. Modern materials and designs make nuclear much safer and the past problems mainly because designs were done in the fifties and sixties are engineered out.

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Apr 13, 2022 11:59:41   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
DennyT wrote:
I Have no idea - who knows what went they that grade school mind of his . But it was his ideA. Privatization is a supposedly to leverage Scarce funds. Ask military families how they like privatization.
Looks good to the bean counters but the forever contracts always benefits the private industry not the users


Hi

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