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Mar 8, 2022 06:28:22   #
ahalbert
 
I am a dentist and document many patients before and during care with an advanced setup for this purpose. Often, people are seen for improvements to their smile. When I ask patients to smile, I came to realize many years ago that many people are very reluctant to do this due to the state of their teeth, all too often those issues are obvious. Once changes are made to make improvements, their reluctance diminishes and their self confidence improves dramatically. Just a finding.
Best,
Andy

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Mar 8, 2022 06:30:14   #
DougS Loc: Central Arkansas
 
Add to this "Everyone close your eyes, and open when I say 'OK, open'". Then immediately take the shot.

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Mar 8, 2022 07:05:07   #
sb Loc: Florida's East Coast
 
I don't like a forced smile - "cheese" forces the edges of the mouth upwards but does not make the eyes smile. Better to have a fun conversation with your model while capturing their expression. I really like candid shots - where people have natural expressions while focused on something they are doing, or on another person.

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Mar 8, 2022 08:28:54   #
Tomfl101 Loc: Mount Airy, MD
 
“floats like a butterfly, stings like a ??? Works every time.

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Mar 8, 2022 09:13:02   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Rongnongno wrote:
In natural state we as human rarely smile or even laugh. A 'forced smiling portrait' is not representative of anything.


I had to photograph a very important doctor. I made an appointment with him to discuss what he wanted most in the photographs. I noticed he didn’t smile or laugh much.

When it came time to do some photos, I quickly turned around and grabbed from my bag a “Camera Critter”. I put it on my lens and the doctor asked me, “Is that supposed to make me smile?” When I said yes, he responded with “it’s doing a good job!” Now I pick up little finger puppets and other kiddie toys for entertaining kids and adults.

It is often important to be a little unconventional just to get the photo that will make a difference

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Mar 8, 2022 09:18:44   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
I like cheeses. to eat-Emmenthal is my favourite, but in all my years is photography, especially portraiture, I have never asked anyone to say "cheese"!

Saying that word may shape the mouth in what passes for a smile but a real smile or laugh involves all the facial musculature and of course the eyes. When folks force a smile they end up looking like a Jack-o'lantern!

All portraits need not be smiley- there are many other facial expressions. If you need someone to smile, have a good conversation with, tell them a joke, have them tell you about themselves of the family, ther job, or their cat or whatever. Treat your subjects with kindness, and interest, they will relax and react accordingly. Little kids reach to playing, funny faces, and funny conversations too! I once had an advertising agent send me a grouchy executive for a portrait session. The concept was to make the guy seem more personable and amicable in the annual report, etc. This guy did not want to be photographed all together, let alone smile. As soon as he sat in front of the camera all I said was, "if you smile we can both get the hell out of here and go to lunch"! He actually and sincerely smiled from the ear to ear- I guess he was hungry. I made 4 shots after which he insists that we both have lunch at his favourite restaurant at his expense. The best steak I ever ate and no cheese on the menu!

Some folks are happy but they don't want to smile for a portrait. Perhaps they have a dental issue or an asymmetrical smile. I tell them not to worry because I have a way of fixing those things, at least in their portrait.

Anyway, I have an advantage over y'all- folks look at my face and begin to laugh rather spontaneously and automatically, I just need to be quick on the shutter!
I like cheeses. to eat-Emmenthal is my favourite, ... (show quote)


Well your a pretty good looking dude. Still your not my type. But at least I got you to smile.

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Mar 8, 2022 09:21:05   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
“Money, money, money!!” Always has the desired effect… 😊😊😊

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Mar 8, 2022 09:21:32   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Say something totally unexpected, even a little off color. I got caught with that one time, and showed the best natural happy reaction ev.er

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Mar 8, 2022 09:21:54   #
wishaw
 
Sausages

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Mar 8, 2022 09:24:05   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
I suspect that almost all people have looked in a mirror, or at photos of themselves and thus have an idea about which expression exhibits their best facial fatures.

I know that a smile isn't the best pose for me. A neutral expression is better. I once photographed a very prominent bishop who had studied his expressions an knew his best portrait pose. After much persuasion and many photos, his preferred one was clearly the best choice.

A portrait should tell you something about a person. Lighting the face properly is also critical to portraying a person properly. We need to capture the character of the person with a portrait. The very word portrait is derived from "to portray".

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Mar 8, 2022 09:41:52   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
Rongnongno wrote:
. . . Another observation that will upset many - again -... Smiling is not attractive but for very few.


That is of course your opinion. Most of humanity disagrees with you.


Stan

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Mar 8, 2022 09:44:37   #
yorkiebyte Loc: Scottsdale, AZ/Bandon by the Sea, OR
 
Rongnongno wrote:
In natural state we as human rarely smile or even laugh. A 'forced smiling portrait' is not representative of anything.


Sure.... https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-731190-1.html

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Mar 8, 2022 09:44:55   #
richardjkirby601 Loc: Northern VA
 
There is a reason it is called "Resting bitch face".... just saying....

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Mar 8, 2022 09:49:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Look at a picture of smiling people and then look at a picture of people who are not smiling. Most people prefer to see smiles. That's why most commercials feature people smiling and laughing.

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Mar 8, 2022 09:50:41   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Rongnongno wrote:
You folks, with a few exceptions, think a smile is always plastering in people's face.

Reality and observation says otherwise. As so-called photographers, you should be in a privileged position to see it.

If folks were smiling all the time, there would be no need for calling onto a French 'dubious olfactory delicacy' in order to take a fake picture of so-called happiness. Don't get me wrong, the French have their own 'catchphrase' to capture the same lie.

Now, folks think I bring this type of comment because I am not 'happy'. Far from it. I just have the luck of seeing things differently. I have an incredible, happy life. My wife and I share laughter. In between, we do not smile either.

My comment is really a question... Why are we trying - as photographer - to make folks look like different from what they are usually are?

Another observation that will upset many - again -... Smiling is not attractive but for very few.
You folks, with a few exceptions, think a smile is... (show quote)


The type of expression may depend on what the photographer wants to portray in the composition. Most formal portraits I’ve seen are more on the serious side. Some may want to portray a happy look, a friendly look, or take various poses for a variety of looks to choose from.

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