Is saying how badly I felt for Kamila Valieva, political??
Feb 19, 2022 10:47:00 #
Feb 19, 2022 10:48:25 #
twowindsbear wrote:
Why was that performance so terribly BAD??
Really quite simple to explain: She was off her meds.
Really quite simple to explain: She was off her meds.
That is not discernible, but certainly she was feeling a host of emotions, including pressure to win.
Mark
Feb 19, 2022 10:48:39 #
JeffL
Loc: New Jersey
This was a disgrace on several levels. According to the doping rules, she should not have been allowed to compete, period. The IOC should have been firm regardless of whether the drugs were accidental or not. They have banned other athletes for similar infractions. If their logic was to protect the psyche of a 15 year old, they failed miserably, as did her coaches. She was so rattled by all the drama and uncertainty, she lost her focus and performed way below her capabilities. What will that do to her confidence? And, to add to the drama, her teammates acted like children. The gold medal winner was not supported by her team or coaches, and the silver medalist bitched and moaned and cried and swore she will never skate again. Sad commentary on what should be the pinnacle of sports and achievement.
Feb 19, 2022 11:04:13 #
Not disagreeing, but maybe the problem isn't age, but the whole concept of such intense competition. They raised the age some time ago I believe, so what age is right, say we make it 18 or 21 when we decide their adults. Unless the rules/law forbids training until say 16 or 18 (how?, competition yes, training near impossible) they would just train for more years before ever really knowing how good they were. Finally, what is done/happens to them is probably no worse than what parents do to kids for many things, we just see the ugly results in real time.
My worse example, was a small boy(6-7) in Utah whose mother insisted he follow her down the black, extremely difficult ski run. He was crying and screaming I'm going to die. We went to the ski patrol, but they had already tried. Did't have a cell phone, but now realize I should somehow have notified the sherift's office.
My worse example, was a small boy(6-7) in Utah whose mother insisted he follow her down the black, extremely difficult ski run. He was crying and screaming I'm going to die. We went to the ski patrol, but they had already tried. Did't have a cell phone, but now realize I should somehow have notified the sherift's office.
Feb 19, 2022 11:09:17 #
JimG1
Loc: Waxahachie, TX
DavidPhares wrote:
This sheds a bright light on what is wrong with the system. Anyone not seeing this young girl as the victim in this matter is just blind. And, her coaches and handlers should be banned from any future contact with young people and all international competition.
I couldn't agree more. It's the coaches and the rest of her team that need to be banned.
Feb 19, 2022 11:43:46 #
NJphotodoc
Loc: Now in the First State
The fault lies entirely with her handlers. Let's not forget that the ROC supposedly does not represent Russia and hence they are not a flag country. If anyone should be punished it would be her coach who, in all probability, told her to take the meds and like all good little Russian atheletes, she followed her without question.
When you consider that even the IOC presdent came out publicly and chastised her coach which should tell us all the fault rests with the politics of the ROC team leaders and their need to win at all costs.
However, even though I sympathize with Valieva, banned medications are still a non-starter when looking at the Olympics. She should not have been allowed to skate if the IOC had any spine at all but clearly, they do not.
When you consider that even the IOC presdent came out publicly and chastised her coach which should tell us all the fault rests with the politics of the ROC team leaders and their need to win at all costs.
However, even though I sympathize with Valieva, banned medications are still a non-starter when looking at the Olympics. She should not have been allowed to skate if the IOC had any spine at all but clearly, they do not.
Feb 19, 2022 11:52:50 #
Right on Mark! Unfortunately the entire Olympic experience is now rotten to the core. Russia shouldn't even be competing so they are now known as "Russian Olympic Committee" Its a joke.These poor kids (from every country)
work their buns off for years only to be taken advantage of by greedy bureaucrats.
work their buns off for years only to be taken advantage of by greedy bureaucrats.
Feb 19, 2022 11:54:03 #
bobforman
Loc: Anacortes, Washington State
Ben Johnson of Canada comes to mind when I think of performance-enhancing drugs, but he was an adult. Then there were all the east German women who grew mustaches. Development of these substances and drug testing countered by masking techniques shows there are a lot of educated people (not to mention money) involved in these shenanigans. It does hurt sports for all types. Yet we've got more challenges ahead to maintain a level playing field.
Feb 19, 2022 11:56:50 #
twowindsbear wrote:
Why was that performance so terribly BAD??
Really quite simple to explain: She was off her meds.
Really quite simple to explain: She was off her meds.
Ah, yes "meds," a Russian specialty.
Feb 19, 2022 11:59:30 #
The future is genetic changes, cut out one version of a gene and replace it with another equally valid version.
Feb 19, 2022 12:00:12 #
NJphotodoc wrote:
The fault lies entirely with her handlers. Let's n... (show quote)
It's the Court of Arbitration for Sport that ruled she could compete, and apparently the IOC had to follow their ruling. The IOC announced that if she won a medal, there would be no medal ceremony, setting it up to deny her the medal. The CAS said they were concerned with her mental health, but what good would it have been for her mental health if she won a medal and then they took it away? At least the clean athletes got their medal ceremony, and that's assuming the other Russian skaters weren't doping. Maybe they just didn't get caught.
Feb 19, 2022 12:01:22 #
JBRIII wrote:
The future is genetic changes, cut out one version of a gene and replace it with another equally valid version.
If that goes far enough, the "athletes" can compete by means of specs. Enter all the data into a computer, and see which country built the better "athlete."
Feb 19, 2022 12:05:26 #
markngolf wrote:
Her poor performance was devastatingly shocking. S... (show quote)
Jeez, it takes a real man to pick on a 15 year old girl...
Feb 19, 2022 12:06:47 #
jerryc41 wrote:
If that goes far enough, the "athletes" can compete by means of specs. Enter all the data into a computer, and see which country built the better "athlete."
I like it, we can spec everyone who wants to compete in any event of any kind. Then forget all the real stuff, just endless fantasy sports at every level of every competitive activity. All sports becone just numbers and statistics and the nerds make all the money😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
Feb 19, 2022 12:07:21 #
JBRIII wrote:
I like it, we can spec everyone who wants to compete in any event of any kind. Then forget all the real stuff, just endless fantasy sports at every level of every competitive activity. All sports becone just numbers and statistics and the nerds make all the money😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
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