Is saying how badly I felt for Kamila Valieva, political??
Feb 18, 2022 15:13:36 #
DavidPhares wrote:
This sheds a bright light on what is wrong with the system. Anyone not seeing this young girl as the victim in this matter is just blind. And, her coaches and handlers should be banned from any future contact with young people and all international competition.
Agreed, David!!
Mark
Feb 18, 2022 16:02:33 #
RightOnPhotography
Loc: Quebec,QC
Totally agree!
Even an adult athlete's performance would have been impacted by such an amount of stress that she went through.
Letting her perform was also meaningless, as she wouldn't get the medal anyway.
Even an adult athlete's performance would have been impacted by such an amount of stress that she went through.
Letting her perform was also meaningless, as she wouldn't get the medal anyway.
Feb 18, 2022 18:50:59 #
[quote=markngolf]
I also feel bad for her. She was also taking two other drugs that she had exceptions for; Lord knows what the long term physical effects on taking these drugs. So there are obvious psychological problems plus potential physical.
The Russians were to be banned for 4 years; that was later revised to 2. Their continued use is also an affront to all of those athletes that don't cheat. If you know of anyone that is a serious athlete competing at college the restrictions are onerous - my youngest was a Division I runner - if she had a cold she had to go through all kinds of hoops to get care even stuff over the counter.
The team gold medal should not be given to the Russians and the IOC should reinstitute the 4 year ban. They continue to cheapen sport.
I also feel bad for her. She was also taking two other drugs that she had exceptions for; Lord knows what the long term physical effects on taking these drugs. So there are obvious psychological problems plus potential physical.
The Russians were to be banned for 4 years; that was later revised to 2. Their continued use is also an affront to all of those athletes that don't cheat. If you know of anyone that is a serious athlete competing at college the restrictions are onerous - my youngest was a Division I runner - if she had a cold she had to go through all kinds of hoops to get care even stuff over the counter.
The team gold medal should not be given to the Russians and the IOC should reinstitute the 4 year ban. They continue to cheapen sport.
Feb 18, 2022 18:55:23 #
Wuligal
Loc: Slippery Rock, Pa.
Pay attention my friends: It's ot just the world of skating. It's everywhere. Do you recall what the gymnasts from our last summer Olymics revealed? They had Bela and Marta Karolyi as coaches on thier Texas Ranch and Larry Nassar as the team doctor. Nassar sexually assaulted hundreds of teen aged girls and went to jail for life. Many of those girls were just twelve and thirteen years old.
Remember Nadia Comaneci? She was only 14 when she scored a perfect ten in the 1976 Olympics but few of us asked what she suffered to get there. She endured starvation, dehydration, beatings and lack of medical care when injured. Karoli was her coach. Choreographer Pozsar wrote of Bela Karolyi, "in general he's indifferent to human suffering with a sadistic streak....he would put steak in front of famished gymnasts whose diet was always restricted." Nadia didn't escape from Romania until 1989.
The world of dance isn't much better.....parents and girls hell bent on a "classic career" are bulimic and or anorexic so they can have the "prefect" body for dance. They look beautiful on stage but take a closer look and you'll find horrible painful bunions caused by pointe shoes, hundreds of untreated stress fractures in the fibula caused by over development, hyperextended knees and arthritic hips.
As a dance/gymnastic instructor I had a motto that was posted on my studio wall: dance and sports should enhance your life, not own it. I kept my prices low enough that every child could afford class and if they couldn't I'd find a job for them or their parents and let them earn their way. I took far more joy in the clutzie uncoordinated child that finally learned to do a bent legged cartwheel than the "Miss perfect" that could throw a full twisting back layout.
Sports and dance can be a positive thing in a child's life and at one time was but dance competitions and school traveling teams have changed everything. There was a time when it was about grace, commradery, physical well being and self confidence. Now it's all about the trophies and blue ribbons and which kid is better than the next. In today's world there is no limit to what people will do or sacrifice to make it to the top.....just take a look at the University of Pennsylvania and their transgender swimming champ.
Remember Nadia Comaneci? She was only 14 when she scored a perfect ten in the 1976 Olympics but few of us asked what she suffered to get there. She endured starvation, dehydration, beatings and lack of medical care when injured. Karoli was her coach. Choreographer Pozsar wrote of Bela Karolyi, "in general he's indifferent to human suffering with a sadistic streak....he would put steak in front of famished gymnasts whose diet was always restricted." Nadia didn't escape from Romania until 1989.
The world of dance isn't much better.....parents and girls hell bent on a "classic career" are bulimic and or anorexic so they can have the "prefect" body for dance. They look beautiful on stage but take a closer look and you'll find horrible painful bunions caused by pointe shoes, hundreds of untreated stress fractures in the fibula caused by over development, hyperextended knees and arthritic hips.
As a dance/gymnastic instructor I had a motto that was posted on my studio wall: dance and sports should enhance your life, not own it. I kept my prices low enough that every child could afford class and if they couldn't I'd find a job for them or their parents and let them earn their way. I took far more joy in the clutzie uncoordinated child that finally learned to do a bent legged cartwheel than the "Miss perfect" that could throw a full twisting back layout.
Sports and dance can be a positive thing in a child's life and at one time was but dance competitions and school traveling teams have changed everything. There was a time when it was about grace, commradery, physical well being and self confidence. Now it's all about the trophies and blue ribbons and which kid is better than the next. In today's world there is no limit to what people will do or sacrifice to make it to the top.....just take a look at the University of Pennsylvania and their transgender swimming champ.
Feb 18, 2022 19:31:36 #
therwol
Loc: USA
Wuligal wrote:
....just take a look at the University of Pennsylvania and their transgender swimming champ.
After puberty, males have a 5 inch height advantage and 10-12% greater lung capacity than females. The limbs are longer. The hands and feet are larger. The swimmer in question went through puberty as a male. I doubt if swimming championships alone would make someone undergo gender reassignment, but there has to be some common sense about athletics or women's sports could be finished.
Feb 18, 2022 19:50:51 #
Did you catch what the coach said to her after that scate? No condolences, pretty cold.
Feb 18, 2022 19:52:54 #
Did you catch what the coach said to her after that scate? No condolences, pretty cold.
It will be interesting to find out just exactly how she got doped. In the end it worked out well for the IOC and the Olympics. I have to wonder if the heart medicine is partly what enabled her to do what no other skater has been able to do.
It will be interesting to find out just exactly how she got doped. In the end it worked out well for the IOC and the Olympics. I have to wonder if the heart medicine is partly what enabled her to do what no other skater has been able to do.
Feb 18, 2022 22:19:30 #
Letting the Russian athletes compete under the ROC hasn't worked - they are still doping their athletes. It casts doubt on all their athletes, who may just have been able to avoid detection. Is it just coincidence that the Russian women figure skaters are the only women doing quads? They need to actually ban their athletes at least for the next games.
Feb 19, 2022 02:00:40 #
Wuligal is right, ROC and USSR and E Germany had and still have systemic drug testing (not testing for drugs, but testing which drugs worked better, and could be hidden better). The west has it's own troubles, Mr Nassar is just one. They take kids that are too young and grind every bit of youth out of them. Would any of us have taken a vault with a potentially broken ankle? I doubt it.
I watch the Olympics, but sometimes I feel guilty doing it.
I watch the Olympics, but sometimes I feel guilty doing it.
Feb 19, 2022 05:15:42 #
jfdnp
Loc: Coastal Connecticut
DRam11 wrote:
Agree. Someone should give that coach a talking to. The girl is 15 - give her a break and some comfort, not a scolding.
That coach needs more than a talking to.....she should be banned.....period!
Feb 19, 2022 09:46:12 #
If it becomes political, it will be moved to The Attic, unfortunately.
Feb 19, 2022 09:46:28 #
jfdnp wrote:
That coach needs more than a talking to.....she should be banned.....period!
Feb 19, 2022 09:47:03 #
JohnSwanda wrote:
Letting the Russian athletes compete under the ROC hasn't worked - they are still doping their athletes. It casts doubt on all their athletes, who may just have been able to avoid detection. Is it just coincidence that the Russian women figure skaters are the only women doing quads? They need to actually ban their athletes at least for the next games.
Right! I can't believe Russia is still allowed to compete - anywhere.
Feb 19, 2022 10:30:46 #
Why was that performance so terribly BAD??
Really quite simple to explain: She was off her meds.
Really quite simple to explain: She was off her meds.
Feb 19, 2022 10:37:37 #
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