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Oct 28, 2021 15:19:08   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
wdross wrote:
Gee, I wonder if there is a spot for the 4/3rds price against the likes of the Z9? And will the Z9 be able to image stabilize at 7.5 stops handheld? The Z9 will be an absolutely amazing camera. But for most people, other than professionals and advance amateurs with lot of money at their disposal, who will afford such against the still on slaughter of smartphones. This is why quite a few camera market "seers" think the market will shift towards APS-C and 4/3rds. And for people who travel, it is usually 4/3rds or a Sony RX10 or similar (along with their smartphone).

Olympus and Panasonic 4/3rds not dead yet.
Gee, I wonder if there is a spot for the 4/3rds pr... (show quote)


The Z9 looks awesome for both stills and video. It is the mirrorless camera Nikon should have made about five years ago. But at $5500 for JUST THE BODY, you're right. I can buy the two excellent f/1.7 Panasonic Leica zooms (10-25mm and 25-50mm) and a Lumix GH5 Mark II body for $200 less. The Z9 is also $2000 more than the Lumix S1H, one of its direct competitors for video.

In fairness, though, these systems are aimed at very different users. The Z9 is a very good sports camera, with excellent phase detect autofocus. It has all the advantages that implies, and for those with a lens locker full of Nikon glass, throw in the new FTZ II adapter, and it makes sense to "dance with the one who brung ya."

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Oct 28, 2021 17:13:10   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
Tote1940 wrote:
Agree that smaller formats have still a future. Happened to be organizing old photos; used a lot of APS film prior to going fully digital (mostly APS-C sensors though) amazing detail, specially scanned off negative.
Have a full frame Nikon D800E and nice FX lenses but for 99% of what I do smaller sensor more than suffices, like smaller and lighter lenses, not to mention price.
I think it is best to think starting with intended end product; what will you do with images, then work backwards into best/most efficient tools to achieve them.
As pixel density increases in new sensors distance between APS-C and FX will get smaller and less significant.
Key to better pictures start with a tripod, shoot RAW rather than FX handheld and JPG
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The idea of starting with what one wants as a final image result is a good thought process. Unfortunately, many have started with the big cameras and it is costly for them to switch "midstream". Of course, that means they then have tied themselves to being and buying larger, heavier, and more costly in the future. Yes, there can be a value or need for such in high ISO, shooting with loose framing, narrow DOF, and some other items. But for many, the actual differences will never be seen or needed by the ways the images are used.

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Oct 28, 2021 17:20:31   #
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Canisdirus wrote:
Sony is the upstart.

New kid in school.

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Oct 28, 2021 18:53:52   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
It was just a name change from OM Digital Solutions to OM Systems. They did talk about having new stuff in the works, likely a higher resolution MFT sensor but for anyone ready for a big announcement it was a letdown.


I saw previews today.

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Oct 28, 2021 19:32:38   #
WYMAN69
 
They are putting outing out a new version of the M1 Mk3…

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Oct 28, 2021 22:28:58   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
WYMAN69 wrote:
They are putting outing out a new version of the M1 Mk3…


It will probably be called OM D1 instead of E-M1 mkIV. There is talk that it will be a 20mp global shutter sensor. But I think both OMDS and Panasonic will go with a 33mp sensor with global shutter. That is the rumor for the Panasonic GH6. And there is no reason to believe that OMDS would go with a 20mp if Panasonic is going with a 33mp. OMDS must go with a 25mp or greater sensor if they want any market share. There is a 47mp 4/3rds sensor out there in the real world. Now that would definitely be a "Wow!". But is that sensor capable of being used in an OMDS or Panasonic 4/3rds camera? Only time will actually tell us what the future really is.

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Oct 28, 2021 23:03:08   #
WYMAN69
 
For sure…

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Oct 29, 2021 00:45:59   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
wdross wrote:
It will probably be called OM D1 instead of E-M1 mkIV. There is talk that it will be a 20mp global shutter sensor. But I think both OMDS and Panasonic will go with a 33mp sensor with global shutter. That is the rumor for the Panasonic GH6. And there is no reason to believe that OMDS would go with a 20mp if Panasonic is going with a 33mp. OMDS must go with a 25mp or greater sensor if they want any market share. There is a 47mp 4/3rds sensor out there in the real world. Now that would definitely be a "Wow!". But is that sensor capable of being used in an OMDS or Panasonic 4/3rds camera? Only time will actually tell us what the future really is.
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Less is more. I won’t be surprised if the new sensor is 20 MP. I’d be REALLY surprised if a Micro 4/3 camera had 47 or even 33 MP. Those sensors are sold for surveillance and production line monitoring cameras.

Readout speed is the new frontier.

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Oct 29, 2021 04:04:55   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
burkphoto wrote:
Less is more. I won’t be surprised if the new sensor is 20 MP. I’d be REALLY surprised if a Micro 4/3 camera had 47 or even 33 MP. Those sensors are sold for surveillance and production line monitoring cameras.

Readout speed is the new frontier.


The 47mp chip is suspected to be only for surveillance and would probably need more generations of chip advancements to make them photographic camera acceptable. But the 33mp may be a reality for cameras. I do understand less is more sometimes. A 20mp sensor that shoots 120fps with a global shutter is more desirable than a 20mp or 33mp sensor that has only a standard electronic shutter (rolling shutter) and 60fps. I know the Z9 will shoot 120fps, but I have a hard enough time editing my Olympus shots now if I shoot at the 60fps for very long. If OMDS goes to 120fps, one had better be very careful how long they shoot. And shoot with mighty big memory chips.

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Oct 29, 2021 07:06:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
wdross wrote:
The 47mp chip is suspected to be only for surveillance and would probably need more generations of chip advancements to make them photographic camera acceptable. But the 33mp may be a reality for cameras. I do understand less is more sometimes. A 20mp sensor that shoots 120fps with a global shutter is more desirable than a 20mp or 33mp sensor that has only a standard electronic shutter (rolling shutter) and 60fps. I know the Z9 will shoot 120fps, but I have a hard enough time editing my Olympus shots now if I shoot at the 60fps for very long. If OMDS goes to 120fps, one had better be very careful how long they shoot. And shoot with mighty big memory chips.
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Even with the Z9, to get 120 fps it’s in DX mode with 11mp images. Still pretty amazing. With newer sensor technology a 33mp stacked sensor could have great readout speed and also offer better results at higher ISO’s.

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Oct 29, 2021 12:51:07   #
FramerMCB Loc: Northern, ID (formerly Portland, OR area)
 
Very true! Olympus makes a lot of specialty scientific use stuff: microscopes for example. This is why JIP did not get to use/buy the Olympus name. But officially rebranding to OM Systems makes perfect sense. The announcement, while not seeming to be much on the face of it, should give users of OM cameras/system some peace of mind because a company would not go to that great expense if they were planning to kill something off.


As others stated too:

Just like Konica/Minolta makes copiers and a bunch of other industrial/business use products. Sony just bought the the equipment, tech, patents (think IP), etc, from Minolta.

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Oct 29, 2021 20:27:54   #
Canisdirus
 
Heh...amazing amount of 'clicking of the heels' here.

JIP isn't Sony.
OLY as an optics division is ... gone.
It isn't coming back.

It's all 'market speak'. Some here are tone deaf to it.

JIP is going to push products that were already in the pipeline of the old OLY ... because it was cost efficient to do so. JIP needs to squeeze every dollar they can.
That's almost over with...the upcoming camera ...is the last one.

JIP wants to be more of a bit player...make it's coin in small places...lots of small places...in as many product crossovers that it can negotiate.
It's not going to be a camera and lens manufacturer on it's own...that's over with.

They just said so...in market speak.

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