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Oct 16, 2021 20:46:53   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
redlegfrog wrote:
I use to own a lot of diesel powered construction equipment. Forklifts, skip loaders, Generators, air compressors and trucks etc. anything over 50 HP was subject to stupid rules. in the old days you wore out a machine and replaced it with new. The new had the "new, improved" engine.Not anymore. The new rules said The engine had to have been build after a certain date or a expensive filter (10 to 20 grand) installed. To clean these filters is another whole story on government stupidity, but thats for another time.
No one came to our aid, we were on our own. Maybe because the manufactures knew they will be selling alot of equipment and parts, who knows. Same thing with our associations, worthless.
We found out the government based their program on junk science and the head of the program was there because he had a fake degree. No one cared about any of that because of "the greater good" cleaner air and all that. They didn't care about how may millions maybe billions had to be spent to satisfy the government rules.
Same people, same mindset that took away our drinking straws.
This won't be fixed quickly because Calif won't back down on their stupid rules. whether they actually do any good or not.
Oh yeah, did you here we are now getting rid of all small gas engines? Don't think just lawn and garden equipment, think how are you going to pump out water after a flood? cut concrete, compact a ditch. Don't say electric because your generators will be outlawed as well.
So you folks wonder what made so many people become so conservative maybe this will help you understand just a little.
I use to own a lot of diesel powered construction ... (show quote)


That’s wrong. That goes to show the depth of what’s wrong with Ca. Even though it doesn’t impact me directly in some minute way I believe it does. Hearing examples such as yours makes my conservative stance even stronger.
The least they could have done is gave you some kind of state tax credit to replace what you lost.

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Oct 16, 2021 20:54:24   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
Checkmate wrote:
Don't listen to the fake news! Here's the facts: You liberal tree hugging asshats have created this mess. Now live with it. Stop blaming truckers. The NEWS says the California port situation is caused by a driver shortage. Not so fast: It is in part caused by a California Truck Ban which says all trucks must be 2011 or newer and a law called AB 5 which prohibits OWNER OPERATORS. Traditionally the ports have been served by OWNER OPERATORS (non union). California has now banned OWNER OPERATORS. Long term, truckers in California are not investing in new trucks because California has a law that makes them illegal in 2035. The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist. And in the words of Paul Harvey, “Now you know the rest of the story”.

BUSINESS CARB to begin blocking certain trucks’ DMV registrations in 2020. Carriers domiciled in California with trucks older than 2011 model, or using engines manufactured before 2010, will need to meet the Board’s new Truck and Bus Regulation beginning in 2020 or their vehicles will be blocked from registration with the state’s DMV, the state has said. The new “health-based requirements” will need to be met before a driver is allowed to register his or her truck through the Department of Motor Vehicles, CARB says. A new enforcement tool used by the DMV beginning in 2020 will automatically block 2010 and older trucks from registration. Then there's the $5+ a gallon diesel prices in California. We simply aren't going there and paying those prices. Wake up people. Your $20 gallon of milk is coming with your $10 loaf of bread.
Don't listen to the fake news! Here's the facts: Y... (show quote)


That all trump fake news

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Oct 16, 2021 21:09:23   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Thanks for link. The self-interest of the labor unions here stands in the way of progress: protecting jobs at any cost.

The lamestream news media has failed to examine this side-effect of the pandemic impacting millions of others.
Fotoartist wrote:
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/ila-says-union-will-not-service-automated-ships-without-crews

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Oct 17, 2021 14:10:34   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
anotherview wrote:
Thanks for link. The self-interest of the labor unions here stands in the way of progress: protecting jobs at any cost.

The lamestream news media has failed to examine this side-effect of the pandemic impacting millions of others.


Perhaps you have lists of exactly who is and who is not allowed to act in self interest.

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Oct 17, 2021 14:12:31   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
thom w wrote:
Perhaps you have lists of exactly who is and who is not allowed to act in self interest.


Sounds like

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Oct 17, 2021 17:03:14   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
I did not say the labor union should not act in its self-interest, or not in the interests of its members. All who wish to do so may act in their own interest.

A limit to this action exists, however, when its working negatively impacts others. Or to put the matter another way, interests may clash with one another.

Compromise may ensue to reduce the force of the clash.

In the case of the labor union boss, he said the union would protect jobs at any cost. This extreme view takes no account of the negative impact to the greater society. Then self-interest becomes selfishness.
thom w wrote:
Perhaps you have lists of exactly who is and who is not allowed to act in self interest.

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Oct 18, 2021 05:24:11   #
Nalle Loc: Tellus
 
Frank T wrote:
If what the OP says is true, how do you explain the same problem on the east coast, where there is no California and the ports are controlled by multiple states?
I'll await your answer.


And in Europe, China, Africa..........

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Oct 18, 2021 06:24:47   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
Checkmate wrote:
Don't listen to the fake news! Here's the facts: You liberal tree hugging asshats have created this mess. Now live with it. Stop blaming truckers. The NEWS says the California port situation is caused by a driver shortage. Not so fast: It is in part caused by a California Truck Ban which says all trucks must be 2011 or newer and a law called AB 5 which prohibits OWNER OPERATORS. Traditionally the ports have been served by OWNER OPERATORS (non union). California has now banned OWNER OPERATORS. Long term, truckers in California are not investing in new trucks because California has a law that makes them illegal in 2035. The requirement is to purchase electric trucks which do not exist. And in the words of Paul Harvey, “Now you know the rest of the story”.

BUSINESS CARB to begin blocking certain trucks’ DMV registrations in 2020. Carriers domiciled in California with trucks older than 2011 model, or using engines manufactured before 2010, will need to meet the Board’s new Truck and Bus Regulation beginning in 2020 or their vehicles will be blocked from registration with the state’s DMV, the state has said. The new “health-based requirements” will need to be met before a driver is allowed to register his or her truck through the Department of Motor Vehicles, CARB says. A new enforcement tool used by the DMV beginning in 2020 will automatically block 2010 and older trucks from registration. Then there's the $5+ a gallon diesel prices in California. We simply aren't going there and paying those prices. Wake up people. Your $20 gallon of milk is coming with your $10 loaf of bread.
Don't listen to the fake news! Here's the facts: Y... (show quote)

What say you to reports of the crane operators deliberately slowing down the movement of containers?

What say you to crane operators deliberately making truck drivers wait hours or days to have containers loaded onto trailer beds, IF they ever actually do get loaded at all?

https://goodwordnews.com/lazy-crane-operators-earn-250000-a-year-worsening-port-crisis-truckers-say/

https://711web.com/truck-drivers-say-lazy-crane-owners-are-making-250000-a-year-exacerbating-port-crisis/

And this is NOT just a 2021 problem, it's been going on for years!

https://www.presstelegram.com/2014/11/08/ports-of-los-angeles-long-beach-congestion-worsens-labor-talks-escalate-2/

https://airandsurface.com/west-coast-port-congestion-january-2015/

The container backlog at ports around the country is a UNION problem, it's not a problem with California's new Truck age limitations!

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Oct 18, 2021 06:26:04   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
DennyT wrote:
It’s a dumb argument posted for our partisan political reasons .

It's actually a union problem!

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Oct 18, 2021 06:43:41   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
anotherview wrote:
I did not say the labor union should not act in its self-interest, or not in the interests of its members. All who wish to do so may act in their own interest.

A limit to this action exists, however, when its working negatively impacts others. Or to put the matter another way, interests may clash with one another.

Compromise may ensue to reduce the force of the clash.

In the case of the labor union boss, he said the union would protect jobs at any cost. This extreme view takes no account of the negative impact to the greater society. Then self-interest becomes selfishness.
I did not say the labor union should not act in it... (show quote)

The union members are taking 2 hour lunches, getting supervisors and managers fired if complaints against the crane operators are filed, essentially banning truck drivers who complain about long waits to be loaded.

This particular union, the International Union of Operating Engineers, IUOE, has become way too powerful without any checks on their wrongdoings!

The Union is essentially paying the Crane Operators to sit on their hands while the would watches a work slowdown.

Huummmm, is there a contract expiration coming up?

https://www.joc.com/port-news/longshoreman-labor/automation-revs-ilwu-tensions-ahead-contract-talks_20210525.html

By the way, their salaries have gone from $100,000 in 2015 to $250,000 in 2021!

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-20150301-story.html

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Oct 18, 2021 10:44:40   #
redlegfrog
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
It's actually a union problem!


Unions and bad government don't care about anything but the money. They certainly don't care about you and your problems.
Ever wonder why when you see a report on the container back log and little Johnny won't have good Christmas that this information is not mentioned?
Its all so corrupt now I wonder if it can ever be fixed

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Oct 18, 2021 10:55:56   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Fotoartist wrote:
https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/ila-says-union-will-not-service-automated-ships-without-crews


That true but it is not the cause of the slowdown . That lack of automation has been there fir years just like the issue in the lead post.
Why didn’t those issues cause impacts years ago or in 2019.
Pure partisan bullshit,

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Oct 18, 2021 10:58:25   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
DennyT wrote:
That true but it is not the cause of the slowdown . That lack of automation has been there fir years just like the issue in the lead post.
Why didn’t those issues cause impacts years ago or in 2019.
Pure partisan bullshit,

The port crane operators create a work slowdown every time they're up for a contract renewal!

See my earlier posts.

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Oct 18, 2021 12:29:40   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The union members are taking 2 hour lunches, getting supervisors and managers fired if complaints against the crane operators are filed, essentially banning truck drivers who complain about long waits to be loaded.

This particular union, the International Union of Operating Engineers, IUOE, has become way too powerful without any checks on their wrongdoings!

The Union is essentially paying the Crane Operators to sit on their hands while the would watches a work slowdown.

Huummmm, is there a contract expiration coming up?

https://www.joc.com/port-news/longshoreman-labor/automation-revs-ilwu-tensions-ahead-contract-talks_20210525.html

By the way, their salaries have gone from $100,000 in 2015 to $250,000 in 2021!

https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-dockworker-pay-20150301-story.html
The union members are taking 2 hour lunches, getti... (show quote)


I think it's the ILWU. I belong to the IUOE. Around here local 39 represents those who run buildings and locall 3 represents equipment operators.

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Oct 18, 2021 12:42:12   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The port crane operators create a work slowdown every time they're up for a contract renewal!

See my earlier posts.


Sure it has been there earlier. But the country is coming out of the pandemic and demand is super high now. And it takes a little time for the cranes to come home to roost.

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