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Sep 4, 2021 12:23:21   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I believe the phrase is "long in the tooth"

Although that phrase could also be applied where any rodent is concerned.


As a retired Dentist, when you get gum recession the teeth appear longer and have more tooth exposed and occurs more often as we age

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Sep 4, 2021 12:48:39   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
BigDaddy wrote:
That's a horse of a different color....


... Same horse, different jockey.

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Sep 4, 2021 12:51:04   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
In that case, I saw an unbelievably old rat a couple of weeks ago!

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Sep 4, 2021 15:25:06   #
CA_CanonUser Loc: Friendswood, TX
 
Sorry, but the raw photo taken by your camera is not an analog workflow. Your camera is storing a digital image made up of zeros and ones. Analog signals are continuous curves, frequently sine waves.

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Sep 4, 2021 16:11:09   #
awesome14 Loc: UK
 
via the lens wrote:
. . . information to people who do want to know the correct way to write the term.

Several people thought that the correct term was raw, not RAW, as JPEG and TIFF stood for the names of actual file formats, so they were acronyms, whereas RAW was not. But the standard for naming is not based on acronyms, it’s simply based on a given name. Thus, a Photoshop file is called a PSD file (Photoshop document), which is sort of an acronym but not completely as Photoshop is one word). The standard is simply to write camera file name types in all caps, thus RAW is the correct way to write RAW if you want to use the proper letters for a RAW file format. But when referring to raw data, it is simply raw data.

It only matters if you want to use correct language when you write something and you want people to clearly understand what you are referring to. Words do matter in any context. It’s an easy mistake to make, to think that all file formats have to use an acronym but it would be a mistake to believe that as it is apparently not the naming standard for file formats.

In the end we can all use whatever term we want, of course, but we should not expect others to use the term if they know it is not correct. And perhaps we should not correct others on the use of the term and just assume they want to use the term incorrectly as they have a right to do that.
. . . information to people who do want to know th... (show quote)
Is this according to the "Chicago Manual of Style"? If not, it is not authoritative.

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Sep 4, 2021 16:17:20   #
srt101fan
 
Question to the hog grammarians:

OK, RAW, in photography, is not an acronym. Got that. But are there any rules that say you can't have a word that's made up of all caps, like RAW, but is not an acronym? 🤔

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Sep 4, 2021 16:18:59   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
srt101fan wrote:
Question to the hog grammarians:

OK, RAW, in photography, is not an acronym. Got that. But are there any rules that say you can't have a word that's made up of all caps, like RAW, but is not an acronym? 🤔

Haha. Betcha those who do not want people to use 'RAW' are now looking for one.....

Even if they find one, so what?

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Sep 4, 2021 16:33:35   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Too many people subscribe to advanced software to edit RAW files to impress people they don't like.

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Sep 4, 2021 17:11:35   #
joecichjr Loc: Chicago S. Suburbs, Illinois, USA
 
Makes me feel old. I had a crush on her
❤️💞❤️💞❤️

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Sep 4, 2021 17:21:43   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
rook2c4 wrote:
I think it is better to write it as "RAW". That way people are less likely to confuse it with the more typical definition of the word "raw". Obviously, the interpretation of a word will also depend on context.


You really think photographers will be confused?
The butcher or baker might be confused, but a self proclaimed photographer.

It's good that we have a new thread to sort this out! I guess the previous thread couldn't nail it down.



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Sep 4, 2021 21:31:31   #
les spencer
 
What was the question...I forgot...

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Sep 4, 2021 22:58:29   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
via the lens wrote:
There is a debate in another thread about file format, in particular “raw” versus “RAW.” Not wanting to “hijack” that thread any more than it has already been hijacked, I am starting this new thread that might accurate information to people who do want to know the correct way to write the term.

Several people thought that the correct term was raw, not RAW, as JPEG and TIFF stood for the names of actual file formats, so they were acronyms, whereas RAW was not. But the standard for naming is not based on acronyms, it’s simply based on a given name. Thus, a Photoshop file is called a PSD file (Photoshop document), which is sort of an acronym but not completely as Photoshop is one word). Often the letters are based on acronyms, but not always. Canon uses CRW, Nikon uses NEF and Fujifilm uses RAF (RAF actually stands for “Fuji Raw Image” file, why not FRI?, maybe because that commonly stands for Friday???). The standard is simply to write camera file name types in all caps, thus RAW is the correct way to write RAW if you want to use the proper letters for a RAW file format. But when referring to raw data, it is simply raw data.

Does it really matter? It only matters if you want to use correct language when you write something and you want people to clearly understand what you are referring to. Words do matter in any context. It’s an easy mistake to make, to think that all file formats have to use an acronym but it would be a mistake to believe that as it is apparently not the naming standard for file formats.

In the end we can all use whatever term we want, of course, but we should not expect others to use the term if they know it is not correct. And perhaps we should not correct others on the use of the term and just assume they want to use the term incorrectly as they have a right to do that.
There is a debate in another thread about file for... (show quote)

I always cook my photos. I don't like them RAW/raw

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Sep 4, 2021 23:21:59   #
KindaSpikey Loc: English living in San Diego
 
Bill_de wrote:
You really think photographers will be confused?
The butcher or baker might be confused, but a self proclaimed photographer.

It's good that we have a new thread to sort this out! I guess the previous thread couldn't nail it down.



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^5 bill!

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Sep 5, 2021 06:51:03   #
Rick from NY Loc: Sarasota FL
 
Is there a moderator who can stick a fork in this inane thread?

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Sep 5, 2021 06:56:49   #
lmTrying Loc: WV Northern Panhandle
 
Bill_de wrote:
You really think photographers will be confused?
The butcher or baker might be confused, but a self proclaimed photographer.

It's good that we have a new thread to sort this out! I guess the previous thread couldn't nail it down.



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I've been here for 5 years. I started messing with cameras in the sixties. (I've survived the sixties twice now.) I've enjoyed both of these raw/RAW threads. I've learned and laughed. Mostly laughed. But as I've said before, learning photography here is like learning to play golf by driving a ball retriever buggy at a driving range. You do a lot of ducking, but you catch a good one once in a while.

The hard part for a newbie just starting out and trying to "learn the ropes" is to learn the lingo. Sifting through all the acceptable variations, opinions, examples, and well meaning but misinformed helpers can be really confusing. Then there are the snarks, trolls, and gods of photography. Sometimes we just need to think of those trying so desperately to learn.

Oh ya, I could go for two fists of Old Grandad, but unfortunately, even one finger will set off the aches n pains anymore. So enjoy it while you can!

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