Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN

You been at Buckhorn's again?

Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN

God wrote the 10 commandments personally. I think you better quit while you are behind.

Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN

Bazamac did you say something?

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

You seem to like to refer to Booz & drinking quite a bit - nice thoughts for a Christian - grant you in the years before Oct 1, 1989 I warmed a stool many time at the Buckhorn - some place you too must be familiar with otherwise you would not know about it. Yes - I probably spilled more than most people have drank but then I was saved by My Loving and forgiving God - not the Bible. Mathew 6, to me, is the only part that even comes close to being written by God/Jesus and sure does not match the Old Testament or much of the New Testament.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

I did, but you don't have to reply if you don't feel like it, much as I'm fascinated to know how you reconcile all the absurdities, contradictions, hatred, vileness and sheer nonsense in the big book of magic stuff of yours

Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN

Bazamac the answer to your questions have been given over and over again. I would answer them again for you but I don't know how to use sign language.

Chuy Loc: OUT OF TOWN

Keep looking Harv you haven't found him yet.I Don't drink Harv sorry. I'm done here.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

Good grief! Disablist too? I was asking YOU if YOU literally believe the various things I quoted, not what other mental gymnasts have come up with. Apparently you aren't able to give an intelligent answer. Figures

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

And you know this how? You have the originals written by god or just another unsupported assertion?

silverhawk Loc: Born a West Virginian, Living in Virginia

Try on Wikipedia for some interesting insight to the Ten Commandments......
they explain the facts as determined from the Bible!
And, check the other discussions...enlightening...



Ten Commandments
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

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THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/command.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04153a.htm
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Aseret ha-Dibrot: The "Ten Commandments"
http://www.jewfaq.org/10.htm#Controversy

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The Ten Commandments Anthology
The Torah's Blueprint
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/519246/jewish/The-Big-Ten.htm

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Exodus 20 (New International Version)

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=NIV

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CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida

I'm always reluctant to enter into debates about religion and the Bible. Personally I do believe in God and I believe in the Bible but let's remember that believing the Bible does NOT mean one believes it to be entirely literal. Jesus taught in parables, those are not literal. The book of Revelations goes as far as saying it is presented in signs and portents etc... So I just want to say to those that believe the Bible that it doesn't mean you have to believe everything is literal. And to those that don't (which is fine) again that not all that do profess in it take it as literal. We were given the power to reason as intelligent humans. Belief is fine, disbelief is understandable as well. But as to it's being literal in every aspect is ridiculous. It is not. The bottom line is I have my beliefs and everyone else has theirs as well. We can discuss our differences, talk, ask questions and all of that but we still must accept and respect each other. Anyway, I just wanted to address the aspect of taking it literally on every account. Remember when Jesus taught he was talking to people who could not read or write, who by today's standard were uneducated farmers, shepherds, carpenters etc.. he taught by making illustrations, trying to keep his teachings simple so that they could understand his points. We all do that. We use examples, and make up a story or illustration to make our point. But usually the people we are talking to realize that it's not a real thing, it's only an illustration to make a point. So believers, please remember that, and non believers please also understand as well.

Bazamac Loc: Manchester, UK

Thank you. That's an intelligent, thoughtful contribution. While you and I clearly differ in what we believe I can respect what you say. My real quibble here has been with someone who professed to believe every word of the bible is true. It patently can't be. My real real quibble is with people who seek to impose their religious beliefs on others. Those who, for example, discriminate against people on the basis that their sexual preferences and behaviour are allegedly sinful. Sadly, for many who profess a religion which claims to be loving and tolerant, they are actually hate-filled and intolerant. And that doesn't just apply to many christians - all religions seem to have this capacity to breed intolerance in some of their adherents. Bible literalists seem to be more prone to this than most.

Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA

Cocoroger & Bazamac - you two are the most sensible people I have ran across in a long time. A few years ago I had a discussion with a very Biblical & God worshiping man - very well educated in a Seminary/ Collage - when I mention to him my non believing in certain thing in the Bible his reply was - well don't worry about it that I was to be happy with my belief not troubled by it.
So I do my studies & such. If some truthful results pop up to change my thoughts - so be it.
Harvey

CocoaRoger Loc: Cocoa Florida

Thanks Bazamac. When it comes to taking things literally I like to use the example of Adam being told in the day he ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and bad he would die. This is something that athiests sometimes use to deny literallity and yes, I just made up that word I think ha ha. This is also something literalists seem to stumble on. So I like to use it. So, lets just assume for arguments sake that we are talking about that. Ok, the Bible said he was told he would die that day. But how so? After all the Bible seems to contradict itself because it also says he lived over 900 years. But if you look at Peters writings he makes the statement that to God a day is as a 1000 years and 1000 years as a day. So, in a physical sense, if you use that definition he did die that ''day''. But if we look further it says after he sinned he was made aware of his ''shame'' and being naked with Eve and they went and tried to hide from God. So if we think this through prior to that we was a perfect human. He was able to pray directly to God and have his prayers heard. He did not need a propiciatory sacrifice ie Jesus to act as a intermediate due to his sacrifice of his perfect life. So in a ''spiritual'' sense he DID die that very day spiritually. He was no longer able to pray directly to God, and without using Jesus as an intermediate he was dead to God spiritually. This is why I try to point out that the Bible was never meant to be taken word for word as literal. Just the use of the word ''day'' can't be taken literally. After all, don't we all use the word day such as ''back in my day...'' or ''back in my grandfathers day...''. We aren't talking literally of a specific 24 hour day. We are talking of a period of time, we are talking figuratively. When the Bible talks about the universe being created in 7 days it's talking FIGURATIVELY and not 7 literal 24 hour days. That's the problem many believers have ie trying to say everything is literal, because it's not. That's also often times a problem athiests have because when they read this they obviously see the seeming contradictions and literalists get trapped and show their ignorance and lack of reasoning things out. Thats why I respect athiests the most. They have very legitimate questions and ask them and can't get reasonable answers. They get crap like ''well it's God's will'' or ''It's a divine mystery''. Oh come on! If God is real and the Bible is his word why would he bother with it only to leave things as ''mystery''!? This is the way I look at it. The Bible is God's owners manual to humanity. I own a Ford Mustang. When I bought it there was an owner's manual. In it there was all of the information I needed to keep my Mustang running properly. It was written by the designers and engineers that designed and built the car and was written for me to know just how to treat it and keep it running as healthy and as long as possible. For me to read it and find things ''a mystery'' is ridiculous. It may not refer to EVERY question I have but it contains what I NEED to know, not necessarily what I WANT to know. So I really do understand why people who don't believe don't and I respect their issues. After all as in my example there is so much that can cause confusion and seeming contradictions and I understand and accept that. But what I don't do is belittle or disrespect someone else's point of view and I don't just say ''oh you're just ignorant and you should believe what I believe etc...'' Anyway, I'm beginning to ramble and I feel a little head spinning anyway. I broke a rib last night and am on pain killers so I'm going to bow out of this rather deep discussion tonight before I do ramble and sound incoherent haha. Just gonna sit back and relax my back and watch tv tonight. Be well everyone.

ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.

In other words, the unspecified "they" are using the bible to prove the bible. That's called a tautology. You can "prove" anything you like using self-referential arguments.

How do you know Scarlett O'Hara didn't live in Tara during the Civil War? It says so right here in "Gone with the Wind."