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Dick Farrel, 65, a hard core Anti Vaxxer past away several days ago from Covid-19
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Aug 11, 2021 10:54:01   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
You put your finger on the central source of misinformation, anger, confusion, panic, fear, and falsity: "the vaccine was so unwisely politicized."

I add the connivance of the news media for spreading lies, bias, and propaganda regarding the Chinese killer virus and its impact.
DukeTarHeel wrote:
I share your disappointment regarding the extremism evident on both sides of the issue of vaccination. You made a couple of points that I'd like to clarify.

I also see valid reasons for some to avoid the vaccine, particularly those whose health might be endangered or whose religious beliefs are involved. However, I doubt these represent the majority of the anti-vaxxers.

I never said that those vaccinated are will not infect others. We've all heard about asymptomatic breakthrough carriers. In an earlier post you lumped vaccinated and anti-vaxxers together as if they are equal. When I asked you for more detail about the risk presented from vaccinated people compared to unvaccinated, you did not respond.

You talked about people not being honest with themselves and then went on to say you doubted that anyone got the vaccine to protect others. Your wording was interesting because I had posted: "I can honestly say I got vaccinated to protect myself, protect my family and to protect others" In that order; I believe that is the order of motives for most, if not all, of the vaccinated population.

You mentioned that the US is ignoring effective, cheap treatments that work in other countries. I honestly am unaware of cheaper, similarly effective alternatives to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. What are those alternative therapies?

I am not ashamed that people are so upset by the pandemic and the approach to solving it. We are ALL motivated by the same issue - fear. The vaccinated fear of becoming COVID infected and possibly infecting loved ones. The anti-vaxxers fear of unintended reactions either now or in the future. The worst thing any of us can do is become hyper-dramatic which is something we each have seen on both sides of the issue.

I thought it was necessary to clarify what I have been saying all along. The problem of polarization and politicization of the vaccine is getting worse due to the inflammatory comments each side is making. The result is growing anger and it is growing fast. Companies, armed forces and schools are now mandating vaccination or, there is no job or schooling for the anti-vaxxer. Because the vaccine was so unwisely politicized, the worst is yet to come in terms of disagreement. Only reasonability will help us get through this challenge.
I share your disappointment regarding the extremis... (show quote)

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Aug 11, 2021 11:14:08   #
Rose42
 
DukeTarHeel wrote:
You talked about people not being honest with themselves and then went on to say you doubted that anyone got the vaccine to protect others. Your wording was interesting because I had posted: "I can honestly say I got vaccinated to protect myself, protect my family and to protect others" In that order; I believe that is the order of motives for most, if not all, of the vaccinated population.


I would disagree that its most people. People may tell themselves that though. Its like an angry person not admitting they’re angry.

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You mentioned that the US is ignoring effective, cheap treatments that work in other countries. I honestly am unaware of cheaper, similarly effective alternatives to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. What are those alternative therapies?


Ivermectin and the drug that starts with an h have had a lot of success curing it. But there’s no money in it and money drives this. There is absolutely no excuse for drugs being so expensive here.

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I am not ashamed that people are so upset by the pandemic and the approach to solving it. We are ALL motivated by the same issue - fear. The vaccinated fear of becoming COVID infected and possibly infecting loved ones. The anti-vaxxers fear of unintended reactions either now or in the future. The worst thing any of us can do is become hyper-dramatic which is something we each have seen on both sides of the issue.


Its the demonizing of others that is unconscionable.

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I thought it was necessary to clarify what I have been saying all along. The problem of polarization and politicization of the vaccine is getting worse due to the inflammatory comments each side is making. The result is growing anger and it is growing fast. Companies, armed forces and schools are now mandating vaccination or, there is no job or schooling for the anti-vaxxer. Because the vaccine was so unwisely politicized, the worst is yet to come in terms of disagreement. Only reasonability will help us get through this challenge.
I thought it was necessary to clarify what I have ... (show quote)


I fully agree with that. I have not gotten the vaccine for health reasons. I’m not stupid and I don’t buy into all the far out crazy theories.

We’ve had a monumental failure with leadership. Trump wasn’t a leader and Biden isn’t. We need someone to step forward, drop the politics and lead

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Aug 11, 2021 13:12:37   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
Thomas902 wrote:
Known as the other Rush Limbaugh right-wing radio host who called vaccines “bogus bull shid” had a change of heart after being hospitalised with Covid-19, friends say.

Dick Farrel, 65, a former Newsmax host and pioneer of the shock jock genre, died on Wednesday in West Palm Beach, Florida, from complications relating to Covid-19.

Prior to getting sick, Mr Farrel wrote on Facebook that Dr Anthony Fauci was a “power tripping lying freak”, mocked vaccines and referred to the pandemic that has taken more than 600,000 American lives as a “scamdemic”.

His close friend Amy Leigh Hair said that Mr Farrel had written to her from hospital begging her to get vaccinated.

“He texted me and told me to ‘Get it!’ He told me this virus is no joke and he said, ‘I wish I had gotten it!’”

Fact Checkers go at it...
https://www.wptv.com/lifestyle/taste-and-see/vocal-anti-vaccine-broadcaster-dies-from-covid-19-complications
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/08/dick-farrel-anti-vaccine-radio-host-dies-covid.html
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dick-farrell-death-covid-vaccine-b1899092.html
https://variety.com/2021/digital/news/dick-farrel-anti-vaccine-broadcaster-dead-covid-19-1235036912/

BTW: Acute Hypoxemic Respiratory Failure (AHRF, a.k.a. ARDS) is a horrific way to die...
You are intubated, (a tube run down your trachea) put on paralytics so you can not move; speak etc.; sedated and air is forced into your lungs by a ventilator. If you are fortunate enough to have a highly skilled ICU nurse or respiratory therapist you may be given IV analgesics for pain management albeit if highly trained staff is not available then advanced pain management may not be an option.

As the NYC hospital experience showed... The typical "Floor Nurse" could not effectively manage patients in an ICU Ward. The death rate skyrocketed in this very sad scenario. ICU care is akin to that required in an OR. One-on-one 7/24.

It is not for want of ventilators that Covid-19 patients were dying at the beginning of this crisis it was from want of highly skilled ICU clinicians.

Once the hospital systems are overwhelmed the death rate goes up exponentially for those requiring ICU care that can no longer be provided. Left unabated the current Delta surge has the frightening prospect of maxing out hospital capacities in major population centers throughout the country.

At that juncture divine intervention becomes a last hope.

Final thoughts? It is no longer a Freedom of Choice issue... It is now actually a mater of saving our hospital systems from total collapse. Please stay safe and support our brave medical clinicians who are now finding it virtually impossible to provide effective care for those in harms ways.
Known as the other Rush Limbaugh right-wing radio ... (show quote)


Must have died happy, sticking to his beliefs, can't beat that.

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Aug 11, 2021 20:17:52   #
DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"
 
Rose42 wrote:
I fully agree with that. I have not gotten the vaccine for health reasons. I’m not stupid and I don’t buy into all the far out crazy theories.

We’ve had a monumental failure with leadership. Trump wasn’t a leader and Biden isn’t. We need someone to step forward, drop the politics and lead


I am unaware of the drugs you mentioned. Where are they being used effectively? I am not doubting you, I just want to know their success rate and why it isn't being publicized.

Hutchinson (Arkansas) is trying to do the right thing now that he sees the problem but DeSantis and Abbott are playing games for political gain all at the expense of their constituency. By being hard asses, they are trying to lock in their bona fides with trump's supporters. I can't imagine you agree with DeSantis cutting off school aid because local governments care more about their kids than he does. That's pollicization at its very worst.

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Aug 12, 2021 08:55:56   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Rose42 wrote:
The vaccinated can also be breeders for variants


So why don't we all just lay down and die?

You are such an uplifter.

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Aug 12, 2021 20:33:53   #
Nalle Loc: Tellus
 
Rose42 wrote:
I fully agree with that. I have not gotten the vaccine for health reasons. I’m not stupid and I don’t buy into all the far out crazy theories.

We’ve had a monumental failure with leadership. Trump wasn’t a leader and Biden isn’t. We need someone to step forward, drop the politics and lead


https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

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Aug 13, 2021 15:24:08   #
Rose42
 
Kraken wrote:
So why don't we all just lay down and die?

You are such an uplifter.


Thats not being negative. Its realistic. Remember the survival rate is 99%. Stop focussing on the negative.

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Aug 13, 2021 15:32:23   #
Rose42
 
Nalle wrote:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19


FDA. Lmao. Its safe and it works. The reason its squashed here is because its cheap and there’s far less profit in it

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Sep 10, 2022 21:15:04   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
Rose42 wrote:
The vaccinated can also be breeders for variants


So does every unvaxxed idiot- just more so.
BUTT at least the vaxxed don't die like this.
I'm not in the first folk in line for things like vaxxes
BUTT I'm old school. I remember schools having iron lungs.
I also remember "fair of face" meant no smallpox scars.
I have 4 covid shots, tetanus, and pneumonia shots.
BUTT You anti vaxxers are "winning" !!
Polio is coming back in Red New York areas,

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Sep 10, 2022 23:31:35   #
Rose42
 
Harry0 wrote:
So does every unvaxxed idiot- just more so.
BUTT at least the vaxxed don't die like this.
I'm not in the first folk in line for things like vaxxes
BUTT I'm old school. I remember schools having iron lungs.
I also remember "fair of face" meant no smallpox scars.
I have 4 covid shots, tetanus, and pneumonia shots.
BUTT You anti vaxxers are "winning" !!
Polio is coming back in Red New York areas,


4 shots?

I’m not an anti vaxxer you nut.

Turns out the spread was actually about the same in areas with heavy vaccination vs not. But you never saw the media cover that. The situation in the Ukraine shifted the scaremongering. Gotta keep people worried about something. Now its back to trump

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Sep 10, 2022 23:32:39   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
Rose42 wrote:
4 shots?

I’m not an anti vaxxer you nut.

Turns out the spread was actually about the same in areas with heavy vaccination vs not. But you never saw the media cover that. The situation in the Ukraine shifted the scaremongering. Gotta keep people worried about something. Now its back to trump


I wouldn't doubt that all the vaccinated people spread the virus more than the unvaccinated people because the vaccinated thought they couldn't spread it.

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Sep 11, 2022 00:13:32   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Racmanaz wrote:
I wouldn't doubt that all the vaccinated people spread the virus more than the unvaccinated people because the vaccinated thought they couldn't spread it.


Rac, my daughter was vaccinated but knew when she had symptoms and tested. She isolated until she tested negative. I think anybody with any brains was aware that testing positive was always a possibility. Her son also came down with a sore throat. Out of abundance of caution, she had him tested. Yep, positive, so they isolated the appropriate period of time. The real advantage of vaxxing is turning what could be a major, major illness into something minor. The more people who are vaccinated, the more this major illness becomes a minor irritation.

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Sep 11, 2022 00:17:18   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
SteveR wrote:
Rac, my daughter was vaccinated but knew when she had symptoms and tested. She isolated until she tested negative. I think anybody with any brains was aware that testing positive was always a possibility. Her son also came down with a sore throat. Out of abundance of caution, she had him tested. Yep, positive, so they isolated the appropriate period of time.


Your daughter was one of the smart ones unlike many Democrats and Fauci who said the vaccinated can't spread the virus.

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Sep 11, 2022 00:19:26   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Racmanaz wrote:
Your daughter was one of the smart ones unlike many Democrats and Fauci who said the vaccinated can't spread the virus.


That may have been the original feeling, but after data came in, they adjusted their claims. Now you need to adjust what they've said about vaccinations, because they have changed. As for me, I'll be getting that booster for this new variant as soon as I can. I hope you do as well. I don't want you to end up in ICU.

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Sep 11, 2022 00:23:08   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
SteveR wrote:
That may have been the original feeling, but after data came in, they adjusted their claims. Now you need to adjust what they've said about vaccinations, because they have changed.


Yes, they were saying that in the beginning yet I like many others knew that was BS, I had this argument with a few other members in here a a while back along with the argument that the vaccinated can't get the virus which I knew was also BS.

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