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Jul 7, 2021 09:36:14   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
User ID wrote:
The problem with KR’s reviews is that he is staunchly realistic. His site is far less Shakespearian than UHH, reflecting its obvious difference in purpose.

Concerning “gear critique” I can identify closely with KR. OTOH, I put zero stock in the “expert critical judgement” of anyone here on UHH. Again there’s that distinct difference in purpose.

Reporting whether I love, tolerate, or despise my own 28-300 will not predict anyone else’s outcomes with it. Not only are users all different but considering the complexity of the device selling for under $1,000, I expect there’s some variation from lens to lens.

Finally there’s the lens distribution gods and their sense of justice. They see that too many Hogsters prefer pontificating about optics to really using them, so they assure that only the very worst examples go to the most pompous Hogsters.
The problem with KR’s reviews is that he is staunc... (show quote)


I addressed your first point in my response to 'flip1948'. Ken Rockwell puts a lot of effort into his reviews and deserves credit for making his findings available to all. I also keep in mind that what may have been top-of-the-line at the time of the review, may be a faded rose by the time I look at the review many years (and technologies) later. By looking at a newer version of a lens review, though, one can find reference/comparison/update to the original.
In requesting feedback, I have to also look at the contributor's own body of work to see what/how they are using their equipment in order to put things into perspective. Mostly, it is nuanced comments that reveal a lot. (Beware the of person who raves too enthusiastically about a lens only to find that he is trying to sell it in the marketplace, lol.)
But you tapped in on one of the most concerning factors of all--the individual issue. My old 18-200mm VR was a much better issue (despite lens creep) than a newer replacement I was considering.
There may be no getting around taking two cameras on my trip after all. One thing I don't like doing is changing lenses in the field. Wind-blown grit, whether at the coast or in the desert SW, can ruin equipment's usefulness on a trip in a flash. But, if I do get the 28-300mm, I can pack the 24mm f/1.8 for night shooting and have a fairly light load.

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Jul 7, 2021 09:40:20   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
IDguy wrote:
Z6 and 24-200.

Check the weights on your alternatives: camera plus lens.

PS: I had 28-300 with my D800. It was OK for situations where the zoom was most important. It was the first lens I sold when moving towards Zs. Combined weight was substantial.


Not ready to invest in a whole new system as this may be my last trip. I do have a little advantage on weight since the D750 is quite comfortable to carry...especially with the 18-35 or the 24-85. The 28-300 is comparable in weight to the 24-120, so I have to decide whether to go for the reach or not. Otherwise, I will opt for the 24-85 over the 24-120.

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Jul 7, 2021 09:53:33   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
dmeyer wrote:
There are a couple of questions about this particular lens that I would appreciate some feedback on from my fellow hoggers. (If you check my Flickr site, you'll see that I am into landscapes and nature.)

I'll start with some background first. I used Nikon's 18-200mm DX lens on my D5xxx series cameras for 10 years. A few years back I moved up to full frame but kept one D5xxx body with the 18-200mm lens for reach with acceptable IQ. The D750 full frame has had either the 18-35mm or 24-85mm lens on it for the incredibly light combined weight and very good IQ. Most of my photography is compressed into a couple of travel adventures each year. But those trips meant carrying two camera/lens combos plus tripod and accessories...oh yeah, and my ultra-wide prime for Milky Way/starry skies.

Fast forward three years since my last trip. Age is getting the best of me and I am not so anxious to lug that much gear around through airports and in and out of rental cars. But I am not willing to go backwards on IQ by stepping down to smaller sensor cameras. That is why I have taken a new look at possibly buying the Nikon 28-300mm lens. I do have a 24-120mm f/4 lens but it really doesn't have that much more reach than the 24-85mm and is a good bit heavier in the trade-off.

I had always seen where the 28-300mm had a pretty low score when doing some research with DXOMark lens rankings. Then it struck me that maybe what is a low score for a full frame lens would be impressive when compared to a comparable combo in crop sensor. So, I ran a comparison between a D750 matched with the 28-300mm VR lens against the D5300 matched with the 18-200mm VRII lens (which gets me to the 300mm full-frame equivalent). Going into Comparisons and viewing the Measurements/Sharpness/Field Map, the lowly 28-300mm combo clearly outperformed the 18-200mm combo. Or put another way, what looks weak on the FF28-300mm scores far outshines the DX18-200mm across the full range of focal lengths and apertures. But I had often read here on UHH not to put too much stock in test scores on paper. So, that is why I am asking for experiences from real world users. Also, does the 28-300mm suffer much barrel creep like the 18-200mm does? I realize these all-purpose zoom lenses do have issues with distortion, but I can deal with that after the fact in Lightroom.

If I limit my bag to one camera body, an all-purpose lens, plus my feather light prime, I think I might make it a week and a half on the road and come home standing upright, lol. What do you think?
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I do not have a 28-300 and I do not own Nikons but I do have some (useful?) knowledge to share .......

So, you want to lighten the load?? - but, still have good reach ! ......this tells me to use the crop frame camera for starters. In which case, the Nikon 18-140 becomes considerable -a very decent lens but probably not really/maybe as good as the full frame equivalents.

If you must be on full frame, the Nikon 28-300 is a controversial lens - and somewhat large and heavy. Recently, I saw the the Imatest numbers of an objective testing of larger ratio zooms. To my surprise, I was fairly impressed by the 28-300 numbers ! - especially after seeing so many lack-lustre reports here on UHH. Maybe you should rent one for yourself ! I personally, do not put much weight to DXo mark........
I will also mention that I use a Tamron 28-200 XP on my full frame Sony and very satisfied - very compact and light weight ! Tamron also makes a 28-300 - you should maybe look at the latest version - also relatively compact and light weight.
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Jul 7, 2021 09:57:13   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
cameraf4 wrote:
Convenience. That is the key word here, Diane. What is it worth to you.

I have this lens. I use it. I like the images I get. Of course, I don't shoot a lot of buildings with straight walls. I shoot trees and fields, lakes and clouds, plus the occasional wild animal. Anymore, I shoot "hand-held" because I am basically too lazy to use a 'pod most of the time. Unless you are a persnickety "Pixel Peeper", this lens does its job "quite well." All so called "Super Zooms" are not that easy to design and manufacture and IQ suffers over the range of the zoom (you know this ... nothing new here).

For me as a Landscape Guy, I find that I very rarely shoot beyond 200mm. Living on the East Coast, not many elk or buffalo here. So more often I use a Nikkor 28-200mm G ( https://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28200g.htm ). Same caveats as with any Super Zoom but a whole lot smaller and lighter. Pre-owned versions are still around "for a song."

Good luck with your decision. If this has been of any help, I'm glad.
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I think we are similar in our shooting, Barry. The 200mm range would be okay with the 28-200mm, but not so sure the lack of VR would be. Read the KR review and some of the controls would deserve a good bit of use for me to get used to, especially the reverse turn of the manual focus ring. But the size/weight is great. Ready to sell your 28-300?

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Jul 7, 2021 10:02:37   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
billnikon wrote:
Interesting question. For landscapes I love wide angle to medium focal lengths. My favorite landscape lenses are my Nikon 16-35 f4 and your 24-120 f4.
The first image below is of a water fall in Vermont taken with the 16-35, the second was taken in Iceland recently with the 24-120. In fact, I broke my own law of travel when in Iceland and used the D850 and 24-120 and 500 PF lenses. I also took my trusty Sony HX99 and for hot tubes my Nikon AW130.
I think you already have one of the ideal travel and landscape lenses in your 24-120. I rarely go above 120 for landscapes.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
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Thanks, Bill. I do intend to keep shooting until the end, which may come sooner than expected. You mention the Sony HX99. Taking a compact zoom for the occasional remote subject is something I've been considering as a possible solution in order to carry my sharpest lens for landscapes. (Love that colorful 'cobblestone' of broken pavement shot from Iceland!)

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Jul 7, 2021 10:07:24   #
photostephen
 
I have the 28-300 lens, and I have both a D750 and a D850.

On the D750, the 28-300 is my go-to lens. It gives me excellent images, and is very versatile.

On my D850, the same 28-300 lens is soft, just not as sharp. If I downsize the image to the same resolution as the D750, the image is sharper, but that defeats the purpose of having the D850. My go-to lens on the D850 is the 24-120 f/4 lens.

Bottom line, I am very happy I own the 28-300 lens. When I want to travel light, I just take my D750 along with my 28-300 and a prime 50 f1.8 lens (for low light). When I want to carry more gear, I take the D850 along with a whole bunch of lenses, including the 24-120 f/4, a 70-200 f/2.8 and my 80-400 variable aperture zoom.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:13:04   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
chrisg-optical wrote:
I have this lens but not entirely happy with it. It's a versatile "walk around" lens but it's also a bit soft at the 300 end. This is one lens I have somewhat buyers remorse with. Best to back off to 200-250. If you need to shoot around the 300 mark better choices would be one of the Nikkor 75-300 variants (I have the AF-P FX version very good lens), the Tamron 18-400 or a 300 prime. For general walk around the 18-400 and many others are better choices.


Don't forget, I am shooting with full-frame. Not sure the 28-300mm would perform as well on DX as it would on FX. I would like to have very sharp IQ at the wide end as a priority. Probably wouldn't use 300mm much, but like to have the option to crawl along the focal range to finetune compositions or close in on remote features so as not to leave any stone unturned.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:14:56   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
The 28-300mm is my always-on lens. I use longer or wider lenses occasionally, but the 28-300mm could be my only lens. I'm aware that it doesn't rate as high as some other lenses in tests, but in my tests - photography - it does fine.


Thanks, Jerry. I know you have a large arsenal of equipment, so if the 28-300mm is the most comfortable one to leave on, that says a lot.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:19:23   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
bgroome wrote:
I use the 28-300mm as my "walk around"/travel lens on both by D500 and D5600. I don't see any barrel creep while shooting. It will creep in your bag or hanging off your shoulder for extended periods of time if you do not engange the very well designed lock.


Thank you for addressing my question on lens creep, bgroome. Modest creep I could live with. Got used to it with the DX 18-200mm. If you aren't seeing the barrel sliding out/in when shooting at a lower/higher subject, that's great. The lock will take care of the walking about.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:21:48   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
dmeyer wrote:
I think we are similar in our shooting, Barry. The 200mm range would be okay with the 28-200mm, but not so sure the lack of VR would be. Read the KR review and some of the controls would deserve a good bit of use for me to get used to, especially the reverse turn of the manual focus ring. But the size/weight is great. Ready to sell your 28-300?


I tend to be a bit of a hoarder, Diane. At the moment I have 25 FX lenses that I still (at least on occasion) use. Much duplication of Focal Lengths but, hey, I love photography, I'm retired, and other hobbies are not so expensive. Gearing-up for an Iceland trip this summer so I'll probably knock the dust off of the 28-300 for that.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:22:03   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
ggttc wrote:
Off subject a little...but... I carry a 28-80 nikon, weighs about the same as a bag of potato chips and fits in your pocket (see Ken Rockwell review. $60.) and a Tamron 100-400...inexpensive and sharp


For now, I am focused on fitting my full-frame with as much reach as possible. But I can appreciate your enthusiasm for the 'bag of potato chips' lens. That's how I feel about my 18-35 and 24-85 when it comes to weight (if not size).

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Jul 7, 2021 10:24:46   #
dmeyer Loc: Marion, NC
 
jbk224 wrote:
Diane, your questions and requirements are exactly what I went through before my trip to Hawaii. I had the D810. I wanted to only take 2 lenses; as I already had the 16-35 and 70-200 f/4, and 28-70 f/2.8. I read everything..everywhere about the 28-300. But, I stayed on point to make a decision. Z's were not out yet.
Then I asked a friend, who is a Pro, who has all of Nikon's latest and greatest lenses and cameras. He told me that he bought the 28-300 for his wife to use and found it to be more than adequate. In fact he told me that when you understand the limitations of any lens; you will be better prepared to use it to it's/your advantage. Buy it he told me and try our's if you like. I did. I purchased it. I brought my 16-35 f/4 with it to Hawaii and never looked back. Not one regret. My 'quality of life' when traveling and using this combination was key.
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You said the magic words...quality of life...and apparently without major compromise. Thanks.

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Jul 7, 2021 10:26:18   #
ChrisRL
 
Still own and use an 18-200 in DX.

In FX, it's the newer 24-120 street sweeper for my daily carry, plus a 700-200 f/4 for travel.

I don't shoot much fast lens stuff these days, even though I do still have a 70-200 f/2.8 in my closet, because the high ISO performance of these modern cameras is just so good, one stop is really just for the added bokeh.

Since switching from D600s, I've settled on D850s as my work DSLRs and really only these three zooms have kept up though the generations, in terms of IQ, for me.

Yes, they're heavy, but every day I see the shots from *my copies of* the street sweeper and the slower 70-200, I give thanks to the Gods of Photography and the results prove to me once again that carrying them is definitely worth the effort.

Of course, there's always my iPhone for those other days!

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Jul 7, 2021 10:30:18   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
"24-120 street sweeper" ??? Where do you folks come up with these slang terms?
--Bob

ChrisRL wrote:
Still own and use an 18-200 in DX.

In FX, it's the newer 24-120 street sweeper for my daily carry, plus a 700-200 f/4 for travel.

I don't shoot much fast lens stuff these days, even though I do still have a 70-200 f/2.8 in my closet, because the high ISO performance of these modern cameras is just so good, one stop is really just for the added bokeh.

Since switching from D600s, I've settled on D850s as my work DSLRs and really only these three zooms have kept up though the generations, in terms of IQ, for me.

Yes, they're heavy, but every day I see the shots from *my copies of* the street sweeper and the slower 70-200, I give thanks to the Gods of Photography and the results prove to me once again that carrying them is definitely worth the effort.

Of course, there's always my iPhone for those other days!
Still own and use an 18-200 in DX. br br In FX, ... (show quote)

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Jul 7, 2021 10:33:35   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
rmalarz wrote:
"24-120 street sweeper" ??? Where do you folks come up with these slang terms?
--Bob


The 24-120 has always been known as the street sweeper ! - although, I think the Tamron SP 24-135 was the FIRST with this connotation ....and Tokina made a 24-200 also !

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