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Apr 18, 2021 06:13:37   #
John N Loc: HP14 3QF Stokenchurch, UK
 
Dynamics5 wrote:
Wanted a general idea. Assume local market is Japan.


Local market is the surrounding area from where it is being sold. Could be Japan, could be Europe, could be anywhere.

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Apr 18, 2021 06:18:44   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Dynamics5 wrote:
Wanted a general idea. Assume local market is Japan.


Then your warranty comes from Japan, if under warranty, you should need service, you may have to send it to Japan.

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Apr 18, 2021 07:04:55   #
insman1132 Loc: Southwest Florida
 
Just my personal experience and philosophy: I have purchased two cameras listed as "Grey - International Model" at a savings of approx. 27% each. Most of the time when I look at International pricing I see a savings of about 17% at best. But I would not purchase International if the savings wasn't at least 25%.

And no, I don't worry about the 1 year Mfg. warranty. I always buy from a source that offers a no questions return policy for 30 days. Plus there is a 98% chance a camera will not need warranty eligible repair during the first year, according to the statistics. And if you have one that does, you can always find places to repair any camera.

As I said above, this is just my personal philosophy on camera purchases. I have no quarrel with anyone who would be nervous purchasing Grey. There is no right or wrong in this matter.

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Apr 18, 2021 07:16:45   #
P-J Loc: UK
 
Much to my/our annoyance US prices are usually cheaper compared to UK/Europe. As the importers/distributers manufacturers take the exchange rate as US$1.00 = GB£1.00/Euro 1.00 regardless of what the actual exchange rate is? This is clearly profiteering though the importers i.e the Brands claim that UK & Europe are respectively smaller markets than the US, so therefore distribution costs are higher?
Do you believe that? I don't.
The only place I've found brands cheaper is places like Hong Kong. But beware they do not come with International Warranties & therefore your local (country) brand manufacturer/distributor will not honour any warranty repairs etc. Caveat emptor indeed!

In some cases when buying photographic equipment as advertised in the UK it is cheaper to get a flight to say NY, buy it there & bring it back to the UK? Though some import duty may be incurred, making it slightly uneconomic in most cases. That's asumming you do declare it? I am not advocating you do not declare any overseas purchases though, as that is against the law.

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Apr 18, 2021 07:22:49   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Didn't Nikon make it? They don't make gray market cameras. They may not market a model in the USA, but surely if somebody bought one elsewhere and travel here, they can get it serviced?


The cost of warranty service is built into the dealer selling price in the US. Same as in a variety of different countries. There is no money in the US piggy bank to service out-of-country purchases.

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Apr 18, 2021 08:37:36   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Dynamics5 wrote:
What might be price differential between a U.S. vs international Canon camera in percentage terms?


Go to B&H, Adorama or other stores that carry both and do the math.

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Apr 18, 2021 09:29:52   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
Gene51 wrote:
In the event you purchase a damaged, non-domestic Nikon product, you have no case at all. Nikon has suspended its international warranty policy. If the product comes with an international warranty it can be registered in the country of origin and serviced in that country. Warranty registration requires a valid receipt from the place of purchase, an authorized Nikon reseller.

https://petapixel.com/2021/01/08/nikon-officially-ends-international-warranties-for-lenses-and-accessories/

If you have any chance at receiving compensation, it would be with the retailer if the retailer misrepresented the product as domestic product. Nikon has distributor arrangements with key regional entities that handle such matters. You can still get your item serviced, but not in a country other than where it was purchased, and it would take quite a while to get it done.

Grey market has always been a problem, and Nikon has taken the most aggressive steps in the industry to ensure that their products are repaired correctly by Nikon-trained techs, with new Nikon OEM parts in the country in which they are purchased. Anyone buying Nikon products that bypass the regional distributors to save a few pennies do so at their own peril. Personally I would never buy a grey market product - the hassles are just not worth it.
In the event you purchase a damaged, non-domestic ... (show quote)


Gene51, that article you cited answers the questions. To me, that might be a good reason not to buy Nikon if you travel.

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Apr 18, 2021 10:20:36   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Didn't Nikon make it? They don't make gray market cameras. They may not market a model in the USA, but surely if somebody bought one elsewhere and travel here, they can get it serviced?


They do make great market cameras. ALL Nikon cameras are made by Nikon. They are exactly the same camera, but only warranted in the country sold. If you live in the USA and purchase a camera from Japan or china, you are buying as is. You will not get it serviced or repaired here in the US.

They are identical, but as Paul said what's it worth to you in discount. To me, it would have to be 100% (free) to get it. My luck, when I recorded it out would not work.

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Apr 18, 2021 10:26:15   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Dynamics5 wrote:
What might be price differential between a U.S. vs international Canon camera in percentage terms?


I always buy my stuff from our local photographic venders, NO, I do not get a discount, but I pay the same price as I would if I purchased from B&H.
I like to support our local venders because I can not only touch and feel equipment I may purchase, but I find the information I get from the owner and their staff enriching.
I personally have never bought for a savings at the cost of my local venders. They are too important to me.
I recently bought a Sony 600 f4 from my local vender, not only did he make a personal appeal to the Sony regional rep. he also gave me a personal discount greater than what B&H would have given me.
And, the big boys in NYC were out of stock at the time I needed this lens, and my local boys got it for me.
So, I believe it is more important to buy local than to buy at a discount. Most folks can also afford to do it. You just have to dig a little deeper into your pocket, but by doing so your helping local employees put food on their families plates at night.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.

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Apr 18, 2021 10:27:49   #
hankswan
 
I was, once upon a time, a Canon camera user. I changed to Nikon because every time Canon brought out a new model, you would be looking for a new set of lenses for it. I used Nikon equipment for many years and never needed repairs. But the idea that if I was in a foreign country and bought a Nikon product they would not service it warranty or otherwise is not acceptable. A few years ago I found that the Nikon equipment was just getting too heavy for me and I moved over to Leica. Their products come with an International Warranty and no matter where you bought it they will service it under warranty or if no longer covered will repair it with a reasonable fee. This is how the world should work, if they made it and it is defective or has some user induced problem they should repair it. My 2 cents worth.

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Apr 18, 2021 11:33:41   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
If you register the warranty when you buy it (which is not legally required...), won't they honor warranty at any service center in the world? I have never needed warranty service on any camera or lens I bought. Even buying second hand on eBay I never needed more than to have a lens cleaned or routine shutter maintenance. Surely if you buy a new Canon camera 650D (same as Rebel series), made for Pacific markets, you can take it or send it anywhere for warranty service? Or must you stay home with it and not move elsewhere?
If you register the warranty when you buy it (whic... (show quote)


In a word.... No.

If you buy "gray market" (often now called "international version"), you have no warranty. Any repair that's needed will be possible to have done by Canon, but it will cost you out of pocket. Some other brands' factory service centers won't even work on gray market items. You are simply out of luck with those, unless you can find an independent repairer able to fix whatever is needed. That too will be at your expense.

Some gray market sellers off "store warranties", which just means if something breaks you can return the item to them and they will either repair or replace. This often isn't very satisfactory, as they might not be able to do a proper repair or may substitute another item... and you might be weeks without your camera waiting for a resolution.

So if you want or need a warranty you can depend upon, don't buy gray market.

These days you would probably be better buying "factory refurbished" if you want to save some $$$.

For example, a Nikon D7500 body sells for $997 new... or for $699 refurbished. The refurb only has a 90 day warranty, while the new camera has 1 year. In the US refurbished Nikon can be bought at some of the larger retailers (Adorama, B&H) or at the Nikon USA website.

With Canon you can only buy their refurbished direct from the Canon USA website. For example, while a Canon 90D sells for $1199 new, a refurb costs $1079. Not a huge savings, but Canon's refurbs are warranted the same 1 year as new.

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Apr 18, 2021 11:36:29   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
So I guess that means the if you are on vacation in another country and think about buying a Nikon, you better think twice. I bought one in Japan years ago on a trip. Luckily I never had a problem that needed professional service.

Also, I've been an avid photographer for over 50 years and have never needed professional service on any camera including over a dozen digital cameras and as many film cameras. Have I just been lucky?

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Apr 18, 2021 11:38:28   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
I don't think Nikon will sell parts to repair shops ant more. I believe Canon will fig a non US camera but charge ( no warranty)

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Apr 18, 2021 11:45:03   #
Charles 46277 Loc: Fulton County, KY
 
billnikon wrote:
I always buy my stuff from our local photographic venders, NO, I do not get a discount, but I pay the same price as I would if I purchased from B&H.
I like to support our local venders because I can not only touch and feel equipment I may purchase, but I find the information I get from the owner and their staff enriching.
I personally have never bought for a savings at the cost of my local venders. They are too important to me.
I recently bought a Sony 600 f4 from my local vender, not only did he make a personal appeal to the Sony regional rep. he also gave me a personal discount greater than what B&H would have given me.
And, the big boys in NYC were out of stock at the time I needed this lens, and my local boys got it for me.
So, I believe it is more important to buy local than to buy at a discount. Most folks can also afford to do it. You just have to dig a little deeper into your pocket, but by doing so your helping local employees put food on their families plates at night.
Good luck and keep on shooting until the end.
I always buy my stuff from our local photographic ... (show quote)


billnikon, your policy is not just noble and humanitarian--it is practical. When we had local camera stores, we had better selection, better service, and in return the people there bought whatever goods or services we sold--they could afford to buy from us. The best commerce is not defined by how rich it makes a few people at the top, but by how it enriches everybody and how well their needs are satisfied. The whole concept of a good business deal is one that satisfies both sides, and for most of us this includes the enjoyment of supporting one another (as well as fair sporting competition with them).

Walmart is the biggest employer in almost every state, and they turned most small towns into a Walmart and a boarded up business district. What they did not wipe out, the Internet finished off later. Some people flourished by locating a niche business close to the Walmart, and selling what Walmart cannot afford to sell--basking in the traffic. I drive past a Home Depot to an old-fashioned hardware store that carries every size nut and bolt (and helps me find what I need even if it is just one bolt). They carry all the slow sellers that big box stores are not interested in, so the assortment is far better. The have some cheap tools from China, but also have the most expensive hammers and axes for those who appreciate them. It is similar with cameras and camera stores, if you are still lucky enough to have one.

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Apr 18, 2021 11:47:18   #
fetzler Loc: North West PA
 
Charles 46277 wrote:
Sorry, I don't read Japanese...


"Google Translates"

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