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Jan 3, 2021 11:04:53   #
David Taylor
 
Ysarex wrote:
Meaningless trolling.


No it isn't. You're just miffed because you can't win.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:05:21   #
williejoha
 
To add to Paul’s comment is PATIENCE, PATIENCE, PATIENCE.
WJH

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Jan 3, 2021 11:06:36   #
David Taylor
 
Ysarex wrote:
You're using a digital camera: https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-598415-1.html#10275516

All digital photos are post processed as has already been noted. A final SOOC JPEG is heavily processed. Film images were post processed and often departed from reality: https://abcnews.go.com/International/photos/pharrell-cover-controversial-magazine-covers-16328228/image-16328306
Whether the photo is faithful to reality or not is entirely a function of the operator and has little to do with how the photo is processed. Relying on SOOC JPEGs to ensure reality in a photo is foolish. Which of the two photos below depicts the reality of the scene. They are both SOOC JPEGs of the same scene at the same time taken at the same exposure. So they both show the same reality? Why are they so different if not for post processing applied in the camera? Why is the color different I didn't change the camera WB? What really is the color of that fish candle holder? How is that not post-processing done in the camera?

You seem to be objecting to the option post processing presents to add or remove items from a photo. That also has been with us since the earliest days of film: https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/302289

That is entirely an operator choice and not the result of the processing method. News organizations require SOOC JPEGs because they want to protect themselves from disreputable actors and although SOOC JPEGs won't prevent something like the OJ photo from happening it will at least prevent object addition/removal. It won't however prevent staging: https://historydaily.org/alexander-gardner-civil-war-fake-news

I use post processing of raw files in order to be more faithful to reality than the camera software can creating a JPEG. That's also an option. If you really want to capture the reality of how the scene appeared, post processing a raw file allows you to do that far better than accepting the post processed SOOC JPEG.
You're using a digital camera: https://www.uglyhed... (show quote)


Shameless manipulation of innocent pixels.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:18:45   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
David Taylor wrote:
No it isn't. You're just miffed because you can't win.


You've already revealed yourself as a troll:

David Taylor wrote:
Choose raw to fix your screwups.

David Taylor wrote:
I said it was a crutch for the majority. Do you understand that not everyone is in the majority? I use it when I want to, not as much as many, but regularly for sure.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:18:55   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
David Taylor wrote:
Shameless manipulation of innocent pixels.


You've already revealed yourself as a troll:

David Taylor wrote:
Choose raw to fix your screwups.

David Taylor wrote:
I said it was a crutch for the majority. Do you understand that not everyone is in the majority? I use it when I want to, not as much as many, but regularly for sure.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:29:12   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
David Taylor wrote:
Choose raw to fix your screwups.


Guess that means Ansel Adams was a screw up, then, since he spent many hours in the darkroom fixing his image screwups.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:35:41   #
David Taylor
 
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Jan 3, 2021 11:36:08   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Ysarex wrote:
...You've already revealed yourself as a troll:


(Download)

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Jan 3, 2021 11:37:13   #
David Taylor
 
No, you just ran out of arguments.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:37:38   #
David Taylor
 
No, you just ran out of arguments.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:38:42   #
David Taylor
 
Fredrick wrote:
Guess that means Ansel Adams was a screw up, then, since he spent many hours in the darkroom fixing his image screwups.


No. Never shot digital.

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Jan 3, 2021 11:50:26   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
David Taylor wrote:
No. Never shot digital.

Sorry you don’t understand the analogy.

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Jan 3, 2021 12:06:06   #
David Taylor
 
Fredrick wrote:
Sorry you don’t understand the analogy.


Raw and film are not analagous.

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Jan 3, 2021 12:13:15   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
controversy wrote:
...You, then, copy that file of "exactly what the camera saw" to your computer as a raw file and, from there, (using the camera manufacturer processing software) you can apply any of the image processing options that were available in the camera. ...


And once again, I will answer the same way I did in your earlier thread. To my knowledge, this is not possible with Sony cameras and software. The software provided by Sony does not seem to reproduce the algorithm used in camera to produce JPEGs from the RAW files.

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Jan 3, 2021 12:16:05   #
David Taylor
 
tomad wrote:
And once again, I will answer the same way I did in your earlier thread. To my knowledge, this is not possible with Sony cameras and software. The software provided by Sony does not seem to reproduce the algorithm used in camera to produce JPEGs from the RAW files.


Correct. It is possible in later Fujifilm cameras.

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