Longshadow wrote:
Evidently...
Can't shoot Nikon.
(Probably going to be made in China.)
Or an unpublcized joint venture with Olympus in Vietnam. In sink-or-swim situations the ”buddy system” rules.
They can lean on each other, so they don’t both fall down. Otherwise “The Abyss” looms for each separately.
Gene51 wrote:
Nikon's been making bodies in Thailand for years. I have a 15 yr old D70S that was made there. They may be stopping body production in Japan, but the Thailand thing has been around awhile.
When Leica started partnering with Minolta, there were purists that screamed bloody murder over the decision. You would have thought the end was near. Same thing when Zeiss/Contax did the same with Kyocera and Yashica. All parties are alive and well.
Though, admittedly this is a little different - they aren't partnering with anyone. They are just expanding production in one locale while stopping production in another.
Now, for the reasons - the cost of living in Japan is 300% higher than the US - so in an effort to deliver the quality goods they have always done, and now that Thailand has gotten it's act together - they are confident that there will be no negative impact - other than from the occasional Canon shooter that sees this as a bad omen -
Nikon's been making bodies in Thailand for years. ... (
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I agree with Gene. As long as specs are the same it make no difference where they are made. Not a one of my Nikon products that I own were made in Japan but perform as advertised.
CHG_CANON wrote:
And so it begins, the beginning of the end ...
When Nikon makes a mirrorless as good as or better than the D850 and D6 they will probably flood the market. The Z series is doing well and I wouldn't count them out. Canon users love to gig Nikon users. I have two Canon cameras gathering dust.
DavidPine wrote:
When Nikon makes a mirrorless as good as or better than the D850 and D6 they will probably flood the market. The Z series is doing well and I wouldn't count them out. Canon users love to gig Nikon users. I have two Canon cameras gathering dust.
How does that yarn go about "ifs and buts"?
CHG_CANON wrote:
How does that yarn go about "ifs and buts"?
Confirmation, though none is needed based on your content, of my original remark. It is also called Crepe Hanging.
If you want to make enemies, say something true about Nikon.
No emnity, not worth it. I will say, you do an excellent job at deterring purchases of Canon Cameras, even though I had several that were very good till they failed. BTW, even my oldest film Nikon still works.
CHG_CANON wrote:
If you want to make enemies, say something true about Nikon.
I hate Canon and love Nikon but I don't think you're the enemy. I guess I won't be buying any new Nikon.
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
DavidPine wrote:
When Nikon makes a mirrorless as good as or better than the D850 and D6 they will probably flood the market. The Z series is doing well and I wouldn't count them out. Canon users love to gig Nikon users. I have two Canon cameras gathering dust.
Unfortunately, there will be no "flooding the market" by anyone, not even Sony. Smartphones, and the people not willing to buy a camera better than what is in their smartphones, will make sure of that.
Gene said it's just a normal course of business and nothing to worry about.
wdross wrote:
Unfortunately, there will be no "flooding the market" by anyone, not even Sony. Smartphones, and the people not willing to buy a camera better than what is in their smartphones, will make sure of that.
This is the key point. Interchangeable-lens cameras are a luxury item, in no way necessary for 'serious' photography. If you have a choice between only a $1000 smartphone and $1000 camera (no lens), what's the obvious and only choice to be made?
There will remain a place for high-end equipment, especially for specialized needs like sports, red carpets, and similar. How many vendors will be needed? Probably less than exist in December 2020.
When I start out in photography, as a kid, there were many dozens of camera companies manufacturing in the United States. Japanese made equipment was considered "junk"! German stuff was tops! Notice any changes?
I even remember when Leitz opened a plant In Mainland, Ontario Canada. They chose that town because it had similar weather conditions to Wetzlar. They sent a nice bunch of German folks to staff the factory- Nowadays Leica gear marked Leitz-Midland are collector's items- They made good stuff but that factory is gone.
I'm certain that many time-honoured camera and lens makers are outsourcing much of all of their manufacturing to China and other countries in Asia.
I am no expert in camera and lens manufacturing technology, but I suspect that the "old school" craftsmanship that went into mechanical film cameras is quickly becoming a thing of the past and electronic circuitry can be assembled as to specifications anywhere with modern mass-production and assembly techniques.
I don't think folks buy a camera and expect to hand it down to their grandchildren anymore. Last week I looked at the latest Leica digital at my dealer's shop. It's nice and bloody expensive but in terms of mechanical integrity and what I perceive as fine machining- it doesn't hold a candle to my old M-3. and probably will not last as long.
Geopolitically speaking, I would rather buy into a system that is made in a FRIENDLY country, but practically speaking, if I were well invested in the Nikon system, I would not change brands now. I don't believe that the quality of Nikon gear will suddenly deteriorate as a result of their decision- if it is true and not a rumour, but only time will tell. If there's a decline in the quality of their product or their quality control, they will lose out in the end.
Many years ago, when I transitioned to digital, I went with Canon for a number of reasons but I had used Nikon gear in the past and found it extremely fine. If for some reason I had to switch or change things up, I'm sure I could adapt easily. I don't really "HATE" any brand- to me it's strictly a matter of finding the right modes for the work at hand.
Photographic gear aside, just go into any retail store- appliances, clothing, electronics, kitchen gadgets, and tell me what ain't made in China! I would love to buy some of the stuff made in Europe and Japan and domestically, but I can't afford it!
More anti-China BS. People were saying think 60 years ago about Japan's camera.
joer
Loc: Colorado/Illinois
CHG_CANON wrote:
And so it begins, the beginning of the end ...
Olympus, Nikon...who is next.
Suspect only two will remain in the coming years.
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