Preemptive Pardons (Page 4): Then why did not republicans do it? Because they know it is nothing but partisan conspiracy.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Fotoartist wrote:

I think we should go after Obamagate and also the Biden Crime Family Syndicate.

Then why did not republicans do it? Because they know it is nothing but partisan conspiracy.

Rose42

DennyT wrote:

So would biden if he , as I think he should, announce he will pardon trump for any crimes he may have committed during his presidency.
Time to (1)move on and (2) deny trump the media. platform he thrives on. The sooner is out of the nations eyes the better.

I agree that's what's best for the country. Anything else would be a needless distraction. He thrives on attention so don't give him any.

DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"

Rose42 wrote:

I agree that's what's best for the country. Anything else would be a needless distraction. He thrives on attention so don't give him any.

Agreed. Another reason to pardon is his very likely reaction if convicted. With any conviction trump would endlessly howl about he is a victim of a huge conspiracy. He would claim he is a "martyr" to the conspiracies of the deep state.

Give him a pardon at the federal level and let the states do what they think best. At that point, even if convicted his inevitable howling will be somewhat suppressed.

smf85 Loc: Freeport, IL

DennyT wrote:

I don’t think we to go thru the disgusting spectacle of hearings et al for the country to know the trump administration was rotten to the core. The country already knows it and
History will do just fine in documentation and the worst punishment trump can have is the branding him a loser and crook. Let New York state have at it .

New York will most certainly look at it. Slowly carefully establishing a indisputable chain of evidence that either gets to Trump or doesn’t. The first will result in indictments. The second will end the investigation. Some of the best defense lawyers in the world are here in the city. If there is any defect in the evidence they will find it and get that evidence excluded and the investigation ended. Because of that the state will act with care in its investigation gradually gaining evidence, if there is any to gather. The judiciary will also scrupulously adhere to the rights of the defendant and insure that they are not violated and will absolutely quash anything that resembles a witch hunt. Why? Because if they convict him they want it to have no reversible errors and no poisoned evidence and if he is acquitted so they can successfully claim a proper clean trial.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

DennyT wrote:

Then why did not republicans do it? Because they know it is nothing but partisan conspiracy.

To correctly interpret your split infinitive grammar it should be the future participle and not the past participle, 'Why DO Republicans not do it'.

The answer to that is, they are in the process, 'the investigations are ongoing', although your Fake 'News' Media won't tell you that.

Oh, and as far as your 'partisan investigation' comment, we all know that the Democrats always accuse others of doing precisely what they do.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Fotoartist wrote:

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The answer to that is, they are in the process, 'the investigations are ongoing', although your Fake 'News' Media won't tell you that.

Prove it !

dsturr

DukeTarHeel wrote:

Agreed. Another reason to pardon is his very likely reaction if convicted. With any conviction trump would endlessly howl about he is a victim of a huge conspiracy. He would claim he is a "martyr" to the conspiracies of the deep state.

Give him a pardon at the federal level and let the states do what they think best. At that point, even if convicted his inevitable howling will be somewhat suppressed.

Biden has said he won't.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump-n1207531

DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"

dsturr wrote:

Biden has said he won't.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump-n1207531

Well, now trump will definitely try to pardon himself.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

dsturr wrote:

Biden has said he won't.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/biden-says-he-would-not-pardon-trump-n1207531

That was in May . I hope he changes his mind but if trump continues to ignore his duties as president , he should indeed be held accountable for that

dsturr

DennyT wrote:

That was in May . I hope he changes his mind but if trump continues to ignore his duties as president , he should indeed be held accountable for that

And there's the question of how many deaths Trump is responsible for:

William Haseltine, one of America's most respected health care professionals, who is now chairman and president of ACCESS Health International, a global health nonprofit, laid a devastating charge about the cost of Trump's negligence.
"How many people could have been saved out of the 190,000 who have died? My guess is 180,000 of those," he told Blitzer. "We have killed 180,000 of our fellow Americans because we have
not been honest with the truth. We have not planned, and even today we're ignoring the threat that lies ahead."

Ted Bundy admitted to 30 dead. Give him a few more, say 40 total.

It would take about 4,500 Ted Bundy types to equal the number of deaths caused by Trump's negligence. And not just simple negligence because he knew the danger and was advising that there was no problem.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Linda From Maine wrote:

According to Wikipedia, the Supreme Court has never ruled on the legality of pardons such as Nixon received or might happen in Trump World.

Definitely only federal crimes are within the scope of a presidential pardon, however.

Well I'm sure that if you people get the chance, and stack the supreme court there will never again be a pardon for anyone who doesn't support your progressive socialist agenda.

Rose42

DukeTarHeel wrote:

Well, now trump will definitely try to pardon himself.

More likely than not. lol

DukeTarHeel Loc: NC's "Research Triangle"

Rose42 wrote:

More likely than not. lol

What I find interesting is the absence of Alan Dershowitz, the highly regarded Constitutional lawyer, scholar, and well known Trump supporter. I haven't seen him since the election and I am REALLY surprised he has not opined about the legality of a president pardoning himself. I have little doubt that Trump will try to pardon himself or, resign on the morning of January 20th so Pence's first act as president is to issue a pardon for Trump.

Triple G

DukeTarHeel wrote:

What I find interesting is the absence of Alan Dershowitz, the highly regarded Constitutional lawyer, scholar, and well known Trump supporter. I haven't seen him since the election and I am REALLY surprised he has not opined about the legality of a president pardoning himself. I have little doubt that Trump will try to pardon himself or, resign on the morning of January 20th so Pence's first act as president is to issue a pardon for Trump.

He’s caught upon his own legal problems with trips toEpstein’s uslabd. It is rumored that trump wants Dershowitz to lead the Nobel Peace Prize nomination committee.

Rose42

DukeTarHeel wrote:

What I find interesting is the absence of Alan Dershowitz, the highly regarded Constitutional lawyer, scholar, and well known Trump supporter. I haven't seen him since the election and I am REALLY surprised he has not opined about the legality of a president pardoning himself. I have little doubt that Trump will try to pardon himself or, resign on the morning of January 20th so Pence's first act as president is to issue a pardon for Trump.

That's a good point. I wonder if Dershowitz will weigh in with an opinion at some point and hope he does as it will be interesting.

And I hadn't thought about Trump resigning so Pence could pardon him. What a circus. The sooner this is over, the better.