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Nov 10, 2020 11:05:31   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
CWGordon wrote:
letmedance:
I want us all to do better. Our political disagreement, likes and dislikes should not dissuade us from the ability to be good neighbors and even friends. Hopefully, time will mellow us all.


I can't help but wonder why you didn't want us all to do better a month ago, 4 years ago. Why didn't you make the very same plea when actors and actresses were threatening to beat up President Trump, when a comedienne held up the mock severed head of President Trump and so on. Where were you then? Did you write passionate prose of how we should all get along and support President Trump back then? If so I must have missed it.

Dennis

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Nov 10, 2020 11:13:50   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
dennis2146 wrote:
John you are missing a huge point here. Biden has not yet won the election. News agencies are not the final say-so on who won or lost. That decision is yet to be certified as to who won. But President Trump does seem to have a few very good cases where there may have been been voter fraud or let's call it absolutely cheating on the part of the Left.

There has been no temper tantrum but he does deserve his day in court. After all would you really want Biden to be in the White House even though there was proof that Trump actually won the election? Of course some would simply because they don't like Trump. But that is not the way we do things here in America. Hopefully both parties play on the up and up. If it is shown that Biden won fair and square then we all wish him luck. If it is shown that most likely he cheated to win the election then there will never be any cooperation between the two parties.

Here is an example of what I am talking about regarding cheating:


Election Systems in Michigan County Appeared to Be Connected to Internet: Sworn Affidavit

https://www.theepochtimes.com/election-systems-in-michigan-county-appeared-to-be-connected-to-internet-sworn-affidavit_3571578.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2020-11-09-3

Colbeck’s affidavit is one of six sworn witness statements cited in a lawsuit (pdf) filed in Michigan on Nov. 9. The lawsuit alleges numerous instances of voter fraud. According to the court documents, after election officials announced that the last batch of absentee ballots had been received, trays of unsealed, unsecured ballots without envelopes arrived at the TCF Center.

“There were tens of thousands of these absentee ballots, and apparently every ballot was counted and attributed only to Democratic candidates,” the lawsuit states. The ballots allegedly arrived in vehicles with out-of-state license plates, a separate sworn affidavit states.

“I processed absentee ballot packages to be sent to voters while I worked at the election headquarters in September 2020 along with 70-80 other poll workers,” Jessy Jacob, a Michigan poll worker wrote in a sworn affidavit. “I was instructed by my supervisor to adjust the mailing date of these absentee ballot packages to be dated earlier than they were actually sent. The supervisor was making announcements for all workers to engage in this practice.”

“The fraud and blatant disregard for chain of custody observed at the Detroit Absentee Voter Counting Board may be responsible for well over the 146,123 votes currently promoted by media outlets as the Biden margin of victory in Michigan, not to mention the margin in favor of Peters in the U.S. Senate Race,” Colbeck wrote in an email to The Epoch Times.

Dennis
John you are missing a huge point here. Biden has... (show quote)


Dennis, you are correct that the media do not determine the outcome of the election. They simply take the data that is reported by the elections offices of each state, and they do a "projection" not a determination. But the writing is on the wall. The number of ballots in dispute will not likely alter the outcome.

But please address the second paragraph of my post regarding Trump's current petulant behaviour. He has a right to ask for recounts, but it will not likely matter. But his obstructionist actions DO make a difference.

And as far as my opinion not mattering, of course not... to you. But the world is watching -- in disbelief -- as the US makes a mockery of democracy.

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Nov 10, 2020 11:24:08   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, you are correct that the media do not determine the outcome of the election. They simply take the data that is reported by the elections offices of each state, and they do a "projection" not a determination. But the writing is on the wall. The number of ballots in dispute will not likely alter the outcome.

But please address the second paragraph of my post regarding Trump's current petulant behaviour. He has a right to ask for recounts, but it will not likely matter. But his obstructionist actions DO make a difference.

And as far as my opinion not mattering, of course not... to you. But the world is watching -- in disbelief -- as the US makes a mockery of democracy.
Dennis, you are correct that the media do not dete... (show quote)


What are the obstructionist actions John. Did I miss them? Perhaps what you call obstructionist is only his way, and mine too, of not giving in to possibly a fraudulent election by the Left. It would seem that America's Supreme Court is taking an interest in at least Pennsylvania's mail in ballots that were received after they would normally be allowed even though a Left Wing judge approved of that action. Perhaps those ballots will not be allowed to count. My understanding is that Trump was way ahead in PA until these later ballots turned up. Then miraculously they were for Biden. Go figure, huh? If you honestly do not think these actions are proof of at least some more inspection then you need to just stay in Canada with your own Leftist group.

As far as the rest of the world is concerned you should know their opinion does not matter either. Much to the displeasure of the Left America is not yet giving a damn about the rest of the world in so much as them having influence over our elections. That is what the Left wants but not those of us with common sense.

Dennis

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Nov 10, 2020 11:33:47   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, you are correct that the media do not determine the outcome of the election. They simply take the data that is reported by the elections offices of each state, and they do a "projection" not a determination. But the writing is on the wall. The number of ballots in dispute will not likely alter the outcome.

But please address the second paragraph of my post regarding Trump's current petulant behaviour. He has a right to ask for recounts, but it will not likely matter. But his obstructionist actions DO make a difference.

And as far as my opinion not mattering, of course not... to you. But the world is watching -- in disbelief -- as the US makes a mockery of democracy.
Dennis, you are correct that the media do not dete... (show quote)


I say let the investigations begin, if fraud is found then prosecute. We are all so trusting in our great nation that we disbelieve in election manipulation and it is time to get to the bottom of the argument. What better time than now, I personally feel that every election since the very first has seen election fraud. We need an answer and now is the time.

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Nov 10, 2020 13:16:28   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Dennis, you are correct that the media do not determine the outcome of the election. They simply take the data that is reported by the elections offices of each state, and they do a "projection" not a determination. But the writing is on the wall. The number of ballots in dispute will not likely alter the outcome.

But please address the second paragraph of my post regarding Trump's current petulant behaviour. He has a right to ask for recounts, but it will not likely matter. But his obstructionist actions DO make a difference.

And as far as my opinion not mattering, of course not... to you. But the world is watching -- in disbelief -- as the US makes a mockery of democracy.
Dennis, you are correct that the media do not dete... (show quote)


There are many reasons to believe that fraud may have been committed, Philly shutting down the counting process with Trump far in the lead, sending all poll watchers home yet collecting 100's of thousands of ballots through the night heavily favoring Biden, counting was closed for some 12 or more hours while these mysterious ballots continued to come in. In Wisconsin a machine flipped thousands of ballot for Trump to Biden, the same software was not only used in 47 counties in that state but also used in several states across the country, it seems no one has yet to report to see if that issue has been comprehensively looked into. In other states tens of thousands of ballots are reported to show up after close that only had the name Biden checked, no down ballot voting, also ballots from other voting precincts where the down ballot names were not for that district. Affidavits are being sworn by poll workers who say they were instructed to post date all ballots that came in after the cut off times... The list goes on, yes, our election system has been made a mockery for the rest of the world as you have said, but it was not Trump's doing, the democrats have always played dirty, that is why anytime efforts are made to insure vote security the democrats object, like voter id laws, this is 2020, you can't do shit in this country with out a proper id except vote.... This time the dems have gone too far, clearly this election is not over.

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Nov 10, 2020 13:46:15   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
All of this is just another media distortion. Remember when President Trump used the phrase 'big league' and the media misrepresented it as 'bigly' and made a big joke out of it?

Well guess what... Biden wasn't saying 'heal'. He was saying "HEEL".

I guess the joke's on us.

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Nov 10, 2020 14:41:30   #
Jakebrake Loc: Broomfield, Colorado
 
InfiniteISO wrote:
Frankly, I'm over them. Let them see who and what they voted for and hope that our majority in the Senate holds so they can only implement a fraction of it. We've never played the dirty politics game at their level and the dumbest of their supporters is a ticking time bomb of burn and pillage. When they can't make their radical base happy, they better hope they can effectively blame us for it, because if not, they're going to have to deal with them.

Taking Trump out of the Whitehouse is not going to reduce fatal police incidents, it's not going to solve the problem of homelessness and crime in liberal cities, it's not going to reduce covid cases, and it's certainly not going to solve our abysmal education results.

Hopefully, Nancy Pelosi is going to the gallows as speaker.
Frankly, I'm over them. Let them see who and what... (show quote)


Spot on post! I'm done with it as well. Let Slo Joe & the Ho take over for 4 years, and see how the country reacts in 4 years. I predict a red wave~

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Nov 10, 2020 14:47:24   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Jakebrake wrote:
Spot on post! I'm done with it as well. Let Slo Joe & the Ho take over for 4 years, and see how the country reacts in 4 years. I predict a red wave~




Dennis

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Nov 10, 2020 17:24:04   #
CWGordon
 
Dennis: Thanks. I have never had anyone refer to anything I have ever said as Pollyanish. I wouldna thought a tough guy like you would have known who she is! There must be a soft spot under that tough shell of yours, isn’t there? C’mon, there musta been a time, somewhere in your past when you were a nice guy. Admit it. There is a cool good guy in there, somewhere. Go ahead, let it out. It’s ok. I won’t tell anyone, I promise. Talking it out is good and very therapeutic. Keep going. Get it all out. Then go out and have a beer. No light beer for you. You are still a regular kind of beer guy, even if you do have a soft spot in your heart.
Seriously, have a good evening. You made me laugh, so there must be some common ground there somewhere. I do promise not to tell anyone.

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Nov 10, 2020 17:24:12   #
cwp3420
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
The country would be best served if everyone tried to keep the divide and hatred flowing.

So, the new motto: ”Let the Hatred and Blame Amplify and Flourish”.

And we all should never forget who started it—although that is in question.


Thanks for proving his point. You were one of the most hateful on here. Now it’s our turn.

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Nov 10, 2020 17:25:07   #
cwp3420
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
Everybody loved Obama—so yes, it started with Trump announcing his candidacy.
I remember well.


Not everyone loved Obama.

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Nov 10, 2020 17:25:33   #
CWGordon
 
Let it go. It’s ok.

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Nov 10, 2020 17:26:35   #
cwp3420
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Sorry my friend but I have never felt the hatred such as the Left has felt for President Trump and his entire family. I did not like Obama's policies but never felt the hatred you people do for the Trump family.

I point out two people on the Left who are creating more division and rather than agree with me that it is bad as well as sad, you somehow find a way to say I am creating division and I am worse than they are. Now talk about deflection, it seems your skills in that department are endless. Keep up the good work.

Dennis
Sorry my friend but I have never felt the hatred s... (show quote)


Denny will do his best to support Joe Biden, his candidate. That’s what RINOs do.

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Nov 10, 2020 17:27:38   #
CWGordon
 
Not everyone loved Obama, is true. However, I always felt he was trying to do a good job, even if he could not please everyone.

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Nov 10, 2020 17:28:13   #
cwp3420
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I have said before many times. I thought Trump to be a narcissistic con-man and bully with no sense of fair play well before he ran for President. I thought he might rise to the position after he was elected but sadly, his personal lack of decency prevailed, and he proved to be the hate-filled, ineffective, and controversial to this day, even after defeat.
Trump likes to play the victim—but that is a lie. He triggers and feeds off controversy with name calling and disrespect to all those who disagree with him.
I would have liked the country to unite under Obama, and then under Trump—but neither President could pull that off. So, at this point, do I want the country to unite under Biden? Yes, for the good of all Americans, I would like to see the hatred subside, and a feelings of nationalism prevail.
I have my concerns that Trump took it too far.
I have said before many times. I thought Trump to... (show quote)


Actually, it wasn’t Trump. It was you and your demonic ilk who too it too far. Now it’s our turn.

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