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Oct 12, 2012 07:55:42   #
wylie Loc: Canada
 
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .

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Oct 12, 2012 08:15:15   #
rsinbad
 
Nothing wrong with Picasa or ms paint thats all i use see my effort

Reply
Oct 12, 2012 10:08:24   #
sheryloneal Loc: California
 
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)



Thank you rts. I'm new so Picasa is fun, for now... I'm already itching to do more. I'm looking at stepping up soon.

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Oct 12, 2012 14:03:46   #
rts2568
 
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568

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Oct 12, 2012 17:26:31   #
wylie Loc: Canada
 
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal qu... (show quote)



WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.

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Oct 12, 2012 19:17:19   #
sheryloneal Loc: California
 
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal qu... (show quote)



WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.
quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=... (show quote)



Well said rts. Thank you.
Fyi wylie
I've had my Canon D60 for less than a year. I'm a newbie. Also new to this forum. I'm a fellow sarcastic smartass myself but perhaps wait to get to know us first. It just comes off kinda ##%hole like.

Anyways!! To each his own, live and let live, laugh, love, teach and learn.

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Oct 12, 2012 19:55:18   #
sheryloneal Loc: California
 
After just a few months of shooting I'm finally brave enough to post my pics and speak on here. Thanks to all for the encouraging words! It really means a lot!!

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Oct 13, 2012 00:36:28   #
JoeHorenkamp Loc: Michigan
 
I use Corel Paint Shop Pro 4. You can to a lot with the 'Scratch remover' tool. I am sure Photoshop has a similar one. Then the rest is just touch up that takes some practice. It's always satisfying when you can fix a crud bum image.

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Oct 13, 2012 08:20:32   #
rts2568
 
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal qu... (show quote)



WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.
quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

No you didn’t touch a nerve, I’m just very disappointed by thoughtless idiots like you who come on sites where people just want to learn, the reason I too joined, but because of the likes of you, I find too much time is wasted by the likes of your unjustifiably pompous rubbish which you are coming out with.
Nothing constructive coming out of your accusations!
Nothing helpful towards helping others learn about Photography!
Nothing substantiated – just hollow words!
Nothing contributed, which makes me wonder if you’ve got anything to contribute?
Plainly a waste of time – mine and everyone else who has to read your self righteous dribble!

You are full of unsubstantiated accusations, accusations purely for the sake of it. Try some constructive help for the benefit of UHHers – As I’ve already suggested, let’s see something that you show which could be of some benefit to all here, other than the time wasting and pointless, accusative rubbish above. Incidentally, I do use Photoshop. I do use Gimp also and you would do well to understand the problems with others on the net who simply can’t afford the likes of Photoshop, as I clearly laid out previously – ah! but you’re not interested in others’ information, just the sound of your own voice.

No, you don’t hit a nerve Wylie, you’re far too inaccurate and too busy listening to yourself to learn any different I suspect.

rts2568

Reply
Oct 13, 2012 11:39:49   #
rsinbad
 
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal qu... (show quote)



WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.
quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

No you didn’t touch a nerve, I’m just very disappointed by thoughtless idiots like you who come on sites where people just want to learn, the reason I too joined, but because of the likes of you, I find too much time is wasted by the likes of your unjustifiably pompous rubbish which you are coming out with.
Nothing constructive coming out of your accusations!
Nothing helpful towards helping others learn about Photography!
Nothing substantiated – just hollow words!
Nothing contributed, which makes me wonder if you’ve got anything to contribute?
Plainly a waste of time – mine and everyone else who has to read your self righteous dribble!

You are full of unsubstantiated accusations, accusations purely for the sake of it. Try some constructive help for the benefit of UHHers – As I’ve already suggested, let’s see something that you show which could be of some benefit to all here, other than the time wasting and pointless, accusative rubbish above. Incidentally, I do use Photoshop. I do use Gimp also and you would do well to understand the problems with others on the net who simply can’t afford the likes of Photoshop, as I clearly laid out previously – ah! but you’re not interested in others’ information, just the sound of your own voice.

No, you don’t hit a nerve Wylie, you’re far too inaccurate and too busy listening to yourself to learn any different I suspect.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rt... (show quote)


I am new to this forum, in fact I have only posted 3 times before, two of which I have posted on this thread. One was my effort to repair the nose and the other to comment on the use of free software programs (both of which seems to have been ignored). I guess my posts have been somewhat overlooked by this current argument.

I joined this forum in order to help me improve my photography and post processing techniques. To be honest I would have felt somewhat belittled by Wylie's comments had he replied to me.

Roy

Reply
Oct 13, 2012 12:54:06   #
wylie Loc: Canada
 
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal qu... (show quote)



WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.
quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

No you didn’t touch a nerve, I’m just very disappointed by thoughtless idiots like you who come on sites where people just want to learn, the reason I too joined, but because of the likes of you, I find too much time is wasted by the likes of your unjustifiably pompous rubbish which you are coming out with.
Nothing constructive coming out of your accusations!
Nothing helpful towards helping others learn about Photography!
Nothing substantiated – just hollow words!
Nothing contributed, which makes me wonder if you’ve got anything to contribute?
Plainly a waste of time – mine and everyone else who has to read your self righteous dribble!

You are full of unsubstantiated accusations, accusations purely for the sake of it. Try some constructive help for the benefit of UHHers – As I’ve already suggested, let’s see something that you show which could be of some benefit to all here, other than the time wasting and pointless, accusative rubbish above. Incidentally, I do use Photoshop. I do use Gimp also and you would do well to understand the problems with others on the net who simply can’t afford the likes of Photoshop, as I clearly laid out previously – ah! but you’re not interested in others’ information, just the sound of your own voice.

No, you don’t hit a nerve Wylie, you’re far too inaccurate and too busy listening to yourself to learn any different I suspect.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rt... (show quote)




I thought so!

Reply
 
 
Oct 13, 2012 12:56:26   #
rts2568
 
rsinbad wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal I still like rts2568 the best. ... (show quote)


I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal I still like rts... (show quote)


To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)


Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)



to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 quote=sherylone... (show quote)




You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal quote=rts2568 ... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
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WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.
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To Wylie
From rts2568

No you didn’t touch a nerve, I’m just very disappointed by thoughtless idiots like you who come on sites where people just want to learn, the reason I too joined, but because of the likes of you, I find too much time is wasted by the likes of your unjustifiably pompous rubbish which you are coming out with.
Nothing constructive coming out of your accusations!
Nothing helpful towards helping others learn about Photography!
Nothing substantiated – just hollow words!
Nothing contributed, which makes me wonder if you’ve got anything to contribute?
Plainly a waste of time – mine and everyone else who has to read your self righteous dribble!

You are full of unsubstantiated accusations, accusations purely for the sake of it. Try some constructive help for the benefit of UHHers – As I’ve already suggested, let’s see something that you show which could be of some benefit to all here, other than the time wasting and pointless, accusative rubbish above. Incidentally, I do use Photoshop. I do use Gimp also and you would do well to understand the problems with others on the net who simply can’t afford the likes of Photoshop, as I clearly laid out previously – ah! but you’re not interested in others’ information, just the sound of your own voice.

No, you don’t hit a nerve Wylie, you’re far too inaccurate and too busy listening to yourself to learn any different I suspect.

rts2568
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I am new to this forum, in fact I have only posted 3 times before, two of which I have posted on this thread. One was my effort to repair the nose and the other to comment on the use of free software programs (both of which seems to have been ignored). I guess my posts have been somewhat overlooked by this current argument.

I joined this forum in order to help me improve my photography and post processing techniques. To be honest I would have felt somewhat belittled by Wylie's comments had he replied to me.

Roy
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To Ray,
from rts2568

Please don't be put off Ray, believe me, there realy is a lot of help here. The likes of Wiley thankfully are few.

Read on and you will understand that improving your photography will be worth your perseverence here - I'm only a newbie too and despite Wiley and a couple of other disruptive prats, mostly it has been helpful to be here and plain sailing.

Wish you the best and plenty of successful answers when you need them.


rts2568

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Oct 14, 2012 04:41:31   #
rsinbad
 
rts2568 wrote:
rsinbad wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
wylie wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
rts2568 wrote:
sheryloneal wrote:
I still like rts2568 the best. Pic dudes is really good too.



To Sheryloneal
From rts2568

Thanks Sheryl the feedback is appreciated, confirms that someone is watching.

The real lesson there though, was the point that the original imagery was not sharp. Now whether that came from the download to UHH, as one I tried last night to do and which came out on UHH as a complete disaster; or if the original shot was not sharp in the first place, is anybody's guess, other than the OP.



Thanks anyway Sheryl,

rts2568

PS - Sorry Sheryl, are you talking about the deer or the mother, we have a parallel running link here.
Whichever I suppose, it doesn't really matter as neither could be finished off because of the underlying problems.

rts2568
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I'm talking about the mother one. I agree with you about the sharpness and clarity of the original. Its an old pic. I should have been more complete with my opinion. Yours gave the photo an almost "painted" appearance. With all the damage that was done, to me, came out looking the best with what was left of the photo to work with. If I was to restore it I would have done the same as you but done it all over. Make it more uniform. It had a more "intended" look about it. Like brush strokes not blended completely because the artist was going for that certain look.
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To Sherylopneal
Fron rts2568

Thanks for clearing that up Sheryl. After sending my question to you I realised there are three examples in this thread - getting very complicated.
You are right though, I think mine is best also but then, I would, wouldn't I? Only you and me though, so we seem to be a minority - never mind eh?

Ok, mine is/was un unfinished by far but at the time I felt the best advice that could've been given was to help Harvie through to the learning of his own version of Photoshop, however, I'd not realised he only had an SE version of Photoshop which does limit the tools functions. Maybe he will go for the full version some time and benefit from learning to do his own retouching: or download something like GIMP to put him on the right path.

The Sepia too, needs to be dropped, especially now that we know the original was in B&W. Mother will have remembered this one in its original state too, so in B&W it should be, unless she requested otherwise; Mothers being what they are though, who'se to know.

This theme has brought out the best and the worst and also hopefully, will have been a learning experience for many; here's to the latter.

rts2568
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Thanks rts.
Im still using Picasa so what im learning from everyone here is awesome.
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to Sheryl
From rts2568

Hi again Sheryl,

Some people sware by Picasa, so all I can say is for you to practice, then practice some more, it is quite a useful application and one that easily gives you the first step up towards rewarding post processing.

Wish you luck with it.

rts2568
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You folks have to be kidding about Picasa, or what ever it's called. And you must be using PC's. Get yourself a Mac, get the cobwebs out of your wallet and you might find enough scratch to purchase some real software (Photoshop) and let you imagination show you what is possible. Picasa! How '70's . . .
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To Wylie
From rts2568

Everyones got to start somewhere Wylie, and I know a local 'Professional Photographer' who still uses Picasa as his editing tool, but then he, unlike you perhaps, takes care with his technique and composition so probably doesn't need too much post retouching. He nodoubt, unlike you, knows how to use Picasa, his camera equipment and other accessories, so he knows what he wants from Picasa and gets it to do it, like others with the likes of that very versatile editing software called GIMP; and others you'll find when you big head comes back to Earth.

Besides, you need to come out of your spaceship of fantasy and take a history lesson, Picassa didn't exist in the 70s, neither did Photoshop! Oh, and you may have missed out while you were out there amongst the stars, that we unfortunate Earthlings didn't have digital cameras in the 70s, nothing of any practical use anyway that I know of.

Drop your arrogant, self interested attitude and learn some empathy for other starters and strugglers on UHH. Given time, perhaps a hundred years or so you might be able to come up with something constructive and helpful in a practical way to help others. you might like to suggest for instance that learning to use their camera equipment better first, is far better than spending on overpriced, editing software. Oh no, you can't, its already been mentioned. Sorry about that, perhaps you can come with something else maybe? If you can find a thinnking cap that fits of course.

So where are your examples of camparrison of why Picasa is so undesirable, compared to the version of photoshop that you use. Now that just might help UHHers think just how much better it would be for them to change the bank they use, to a more generous one and just pop over to the Adobe platform.

Oh, just another point you need to become aware of. photoshop works on Windows systems just as well as it does on the twice as pricey Apple machines. I do agree with you though, the Macs are a better machine in some ways but not at the difference they charge for a relatively similar set up. In that they are a bit like Adobe's greedy marketing strategies.

The abominable pricing of Photoshop by Adobe is a very acrid turn off for many - just compare the prices of current Photoshop products around the World and explain to those who would like to have and use Photoshop, why Americans can buy for half the price of Autralians - as just one example. And, this is not to mention their turn off policy of upgrading - talk about a bright flashing light pointing to the like of Picasa and other free downloadables, or the large and increasing cheaper products. If Adobe stopped being so damn greedy and incompetant in their marketing, I'd suggest that the increasing majority of freebie and other cheaper editing products' users would soon switch to Photoshop with Adobe not losing any income either.

rts2568
quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=sheryloneal qu... (show quote)



WOW! Guess I touched a nerve! One of the most unfortunate aspects one realizes about folks who actually did get something out of the seventies is that they understand a bit of humorous wit. You know, the kind where they aren't actually judgmental and accusing. However there are some who hovered in corners, faked authority and knowledge and identified themselves using code names. It's easily understood why this site is limited in size rts2568. Seems you don't like change, politics, successful companies and intelligent software. And you might even be comfortable keeping your wallet tight inside your front pocket. So take a break for a minute, go back in your hovel and stew, get over it, and come out welcoming the new millenium. EVERY film company today uses Photoshop "heavily". Every photo person with any imagination (which is what we use to create wonderful captures) is familiar with Photoshop. So instead of blaming me for soiling your cornflakes, just give it a rest. As I understand it you do not own this site and you are not the authority for all photographic endeavors, actually. Why don't you give Photoshop a try. Once! And I'm betting you will be embarrassed at your post. As you should be. Keep in mind, All of your peers are watching. And shaking their collective heads.
quote=rts2568 quote=wylie quote=rts2568 quote=... (show quote)


To Wylie
From rts2568

No you didn’t touch a nerve, I’m just very disappointed by thoughtless idiots like you who come on sites where people just want to learn, the reason I too joined, but because of the likes of you, I find too much time is wasted by the likes of your unjustifiably pompous rubbish which you are coming out with.
Nothing constructive coming out of your accusations!
Nothing helpful towards helping others learn about Photography!
Nothing substantiated – just hollow words!
Nothing contributed, which makes me wonder if you’ve got anything to contribute?
Plainly a waste of time – mine and everyone else who has to read your self righteous dribble!

You are full of unsubstantiated accusations, accusations purely for the sake of it. Try some constructive help for the benefit of UHHers – As I’ve already suggested, let’s see something that you show which could be of some benefit to all here, other than the time wasting and pointless, accusative rubbish above. Incidentally, I do use Photoshop. I do use Gimp also and you would do well to understand the problems with others on the net who simply can’t afford the likes of Photoshop, as I clearly laid out previously – ah! but you’re not interested in others’ information, just the sound of your own voice.

No, you don’t hit a nerve Wylie, you’re far too inaccurate and too busy listening to yourself to learn any different I suspect.

rts2568
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I am new to this forum, in fact I have only posted 3 times before, two of which I have posted on this thread. One was my effort to repair the nose and the other to comment on the use of free software programs (both of which seems to have been ignored). I guess my posts have been somewhat overlooked by this current argument.

I joined this forum in order to help me improve my photography and post processing techniques. To be honest I would have felt somewhat belittled by Wylie's comments had he replied to me.

Roy
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To Ray,
from rts2568

Please don't be put off Ray, believe me, there realy is a lot of help here. The likes of Wiley thankfully are few.

Read on and you will understand that improving your photography will be worth your perseverence here - I'm only a newbie too and despite Wiley and a couple of other disruptive prats, mostly it has been helpful to be here and plain sailing.

Wish you the best and plenty of successful answers when you need them.


rts2568
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To rts2568
Thanks for your reply I'm not put off, there's not many forums where this sort of altercation doesn't happen. Unfortunately having spent quite some time repairing the original posters image and getting no response, does make me feel i've wasted my time.

Roy

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Oct 14, 2012 08:50:54   #
howie Loc: Jersey Shore
 
Again I want to tell everyone how much I appreciate the time and effort everyone put into my request and when you look at my original post and you see how it progressed....I didn't expect for it to get to this point, and I certainly did not want to offend anyone. I will be careful on future post, again thanks for all your help.

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Nov 13, 2012 09:58:31   #
2 Dog Don Loc: Virginia Beach VA
 
Bunko.T wrote:
howie wrote:
This is a photo of my mom, she worked with Roy Rogers and Dale Evans back in the day, My photo shop won't clean this one up, is this beyond repair?



My Picasa did this in 5 minutes. With a good copy I'm sure it could be better. I''ve resurected a lot worse than that one. Did you scan it at high res?
An example of my patience but great satisfaction att'd.


Amazing job on the image of the children. Another example of the quality of the old images that lend themselves to being restored.

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