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Jul 23, 2020 12:41:06   #
CASpic
 
I have it. Love it. And when I think of my previous nikon and canon cameras with their appropriate lenses, I wish I had it 20 yrs ago!

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Jul 23, 2020 12:45:38   #
nervous2 Loc: Provo, Utah
 
Gene51 wrote:
Expensive, good lens, menu needs getting used to. Image quality is outstanding for any size sensor, even more so when you consider it is only a 1" sensor, light at 2.5 lbs, battery lasts about 300 shots, camera does not come with a battery charger - you need to charge by USB cable. Fast electronic viewfinder, great video, only 12 bit raw, very fast frame rate at 24 fps max - I'd buy it again. You've seen some of my images but just in case - you can make your own assessment:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708803907866
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708793788371
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157705234321622
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157678751378818
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157705352997741
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157678751186148
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157697217633732
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157696606493264
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157667029395028
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157689083645890
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157694805547345
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665487054018
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157693140571925
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665486900208
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157690214837382
Expensive, good lens, menu needs getting used to. ... (show quote)


Got started and ended up browsing the shots you posted. My only critique is that you needed to include more shots of the train show. Reminded me that I need to ask my wife if it's ok to set up my LGB trains to have something to do while I am cooped up. P.S. Also enjoyed the shots from Ireland.

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Jul 23, 2020 12:48:19   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
Rongnongno wrote:
What is your take on it? Good and bad.


I've used one as my primary camera since it was released. The good is that it is the most versatile camera on the market. I took it to Yellowstone last year and used it for everything. At 24mm the lens is excellent for landscapes but in about a second using the zoom button you have a hand holdable 600mm lens for wildlife. The glass is excellent and it has one of the best auto-focus systems on the market. It's so easy for birds in flight or other action shots. When comparing it to other cameras with the same or smaller sized sensor, it absolutely leads the pack. The only bad is when you compare it with a larger sensor camera, i.e., you can't make prints as big as you can with a larger sensor (however, I've made excellent prints up to 16x20), the bokeh is not nearly as nice or as easy to create as a larger sensor, and it can be noisy in some low light situations. Also, it starts to get too noisy for my taste above ISO 800. In landscapes there can be significant loss of sharpness due to diffraction at apertures smaller than f5.6, again due to the smaller sensor. The only thing I've tried to do with it that I could not (maybe others can) was trying to get good shots of the Milky Way. That situation with a combination of low light requiring a high ISO created too much noise for the photo to be usable.

Someone else on here called it the "Swiss Army Knife" of cameras and that is a great description. As cameras go it does some things exceptionally well, but it can do nearly anything pretty well and is easy to carry and use compared to a larger sensor camera with a bag full of lenses.

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Jul 23, 2020 12:54:44   #
neilds37 Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
tomad wrote:
I've used one as my primary camera since it was released. The good is that it is the most versatile camera on the market. I took it to Yellowstone last year and used it for everything. At 24mm the lens is excellent for landscapes but in about a second using the zoom button you have a hand holdable 600mm lens for wildlife. The glass is excellent and it has one of the best auto-focus systems on the market. It's so easy for birds in flight or other action shots. When comparing it to other cameras with the same or smaller sized sensor, it absolutely leads the pack. The only bad is when you compare it with a larger sensor camera, i.e., you can't make prints as big as you can with a larger sensor (however, I've made excellent prints up to 16x20), the bokeh is not nearly as nice or as easy to create as a larger sensor, and it can be noisy in some low light situations. Also, it starts to get too noisy for my taste above ISO 800. In landscapes there can be significant loss of sharpness due to diffraction at apertures smaller than f5.6, again due to the smaller sensor. The only thing I've tried to do with it that I could not (maybe others can) was trying to get good shots of the Milky Way. That situation with a combination of low light requiring a high ISO created too much noise for the photo to be usable.

Someone else on here called it the "Swiss Army Knife" of cameras and that is a great description. As cameras go it does some things exceptionally well, but it can do nearly anything pretty well and is easy to carry and use compared to a larger sensor camera with a bag full of lenses.
I've used one as my primary camera since it was re... (show quote)


Very nice summation!

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Jul 23, 2020 12:57:23   #
sandiegokim1
 
I love my Rx10 IV. I am not a professional photog, but I love to take travel pics. This is lightweight, easy, captures landscape and BIF, and I got rid of all other cameras except for Sony Rx100 for those times when a pocket camera only is needed. I love love love the Zeiss lens.

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Jul 23, 2020 12:57:27   #
tomad Loc: North Carolina
 
It seems that the OP got the impression that it only has digital zoom and has since stopped reading. I hope not as it has optical zoom from 24-600mm (35mm equiv.) and digital zoom from 600 to 1200mm.

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Jul 23, 2020 12:59:32   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
nervous2 wrote:
Got started and ended up browsing the shots you posted. My only critique is that you needed to include more shots of the train show. Reminded me that I need to ask my wife if it's ok to set up my LGB trains to have something to do while I am cooped up. P.S. Also enjoyed the shots from Ireland.



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Jul 23, 2020 13:04:57   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
jgangjr wrote:
The Camera is definitely a great "Jack of all Trades" camera. The IQ is a little less than the D5300 (with good lenses) that I used to use, but the focussing system more than makes up for it with a much higher keeper rate on any kind of action shots.

It's biggest faults are the menu system and the touch screen. The menu system can be overcome with time. The touch screen is dim compared to many others and very limited in it's usefulness as a touch screen. The screen also only flips up and down and not to the side like many of the better ones these days.

In low light and very bright conditions like out on the ocean, the focussing system will sometimes struggle but so do most other cameras.

The ability to have one lens on the camera that goes from 24 to 600 mm with decent IQ and only weighs 2 1/2 lb is amazing. I can do 90+ percent plus of what I want with this camera and that is more than I could do with a $10,000 plus DSLR setup.
The Camera is definitely a great "Jack of all... (show quote)


The rest of the Jack of all Trades line is Master of None. I haven't come up with anything significant that it doesn't do well, with the exception of landscapes, mostly because the fine detail of foliage and rock textures in the distance exceed the camera sensor's ability to resolve. The only alternative is a larger sensor, which would defeat the purpose.

You're right about the touch screen - it has limited usefulness and your nose ends up making choices that you don't necessary want when it comes to where to place the focus point, spot meter point etc. I'll bet that the next version will be better in that respect.

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Jul 23, 2020 13:06:31   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-RX10 IV, not M4.


Actually the camera is referred to using both designations - RX10IV is the same as the RX10M4.

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Jul 23, 2020 13:13:37   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
a6k wrote:
The optical zoom is 25X with 600 equivalent mm's at long end. Does raw, 14 bit.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1361560-REG/sony_sony_rx10iv_digital_camera.html

You may have read Gene's post a little bit wrong.


RX10M4 or IV is not 14 bit raw. Closer to 12 bit under ideal conditions with a little highlight compression but closer to 10-11 bit in real world conditions.

https://diglloyd.com/blog/2016/20160505_1900-SonyRX10_III-14bit.html

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Jul 23, 2020 13:15:35   #
neilds37 Loc: Port Angeles, WA
 
Gene51 wrote:
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You're right about the touch screen - it has limited usefulness and your nose ends up making choices that you don't necessary want when it comes to where to place the focus point, ....

Thank you, Gene51. I have been trying to figure out why, when I place the focus point in center screen it immediately returns to the bottom of the screen when I raise the camera to eye to shoot.

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Jul 23, 2020 13:46:59   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
neilds37 wrote:
Thank you, Gene51. I have been trying to figure out why, when I place the focus point in center screen it immediately returns to the bottom of the screen when I raise the camera to eye to shoot.


The nose knows.

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Jul 23, 2020 13:58:44   #
srg
 
Gene51 wrote:
Expensive, good lens, menu needs getting used to. Image quality is outstanding for any size sensor, even more so when you consider it is only a 1" sensor, light at 2.5 lbs, battery lasts about 300 shots, camera does not come with a battery charger - you need to charge by USB cable. Fast electronic viewfinder, great video, only 12 bit raw, very fast frame rate at 24 fps max - I'd buy it again. You've seen some of my images but just in case - you can make your own assessment:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708803907866
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708793788371
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157705234321622
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157678751378818
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157705352997741
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157678751186148
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157697217633732
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157696606493264
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157667029395028
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157689083645890
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157694805547345
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665487054018
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157693140571925
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665486900208
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157690214837382
Expensive, good lens, menu needs getting used to. ... (show quote)


Gene, thank you very much. I really love them. Many are just like the photos that I wish I could take and often try to. I clicked on one at random and now am going to see them all. Excellent!

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Jul 23, 2020 15:11:42   #
Carolina Wings Loc: Flew from North Carolina to Pennsylvania
 
Rongnongno wrote:
What is your take on it? Good and bad.


After developing shoulder problems I sold my Canon 7D MK II and Canon 300mm prime lens and bought the Sony RX10 IV and was never disappointed. The price was not cheap but was well worth the money for a wildlife camera that I could still get flight shots with...which is one of the hardest things to capture with a point and shoot. Below are a few of my lates shots:


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Jul 23, 2020 15:56:23   #
nsilberma Loc: San Jose, Calif.
 
[quote=Gene51]Expensive, good lens, menu needs getting used to. Image quality is outstanding for any size sensor, even more so when you consider it is only a 1" sensor, light at 2.5 lbs, battery lasts about 300 shots, camera does not come with a battery charger - you need to charge by USB cable. Fast electronic viewfinder, great video, only 12 bit raw, very fast frame rate at 24 fps max - I'd buy it again. You've seen some of my images but just in case - you can make your own assessment:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708803907866
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157708793788371
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157705234321622
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157678751378818
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157705352997741
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157678751186148
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157697217633732
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157696606493264
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157667029395028
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157689083645890
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157694805547345
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665487054018
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157693140571925
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157665486900208
https://www.flickr.com/photos/gene_lugo/albums/72157690214837382
Totally agree and more. The best and most flexible travel camera since I switched to REV IV. Yo ucan create your own menu with the most useful functions.

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