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May 17, 2020 15:08:01   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Amielee wrote:
Great or notable people don't just die or are murdered, they have to be victims of a conspiracy. A single assassin cannot just murder a great sports figure, a movie star, a president or a candidate for the presidency. Any evidence that they can has to be manufactured or altered in some way. That's just the way it is, always ask questions then disbelieve the answer.


Boy have you been living under a rock some where- Lincoln, Jesse James, Wild Bill Hickok, Martin Luther King, Pres Regen, one of the Beatles, one of the other Kennedy s- the list goes on- even Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby-

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May 17, 2020 15:23:29   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
There very clearly is molten metal from news helicopter footage of the building. There would be no benefit or detriment to speeding up or slowing down of the white smoke streak footage from the security footage from the car park across from the Pentagon, seen running level close to the ground and hitting the Pentagon. So that shoots those two arguments out the window, from you. Also the firemen video footage would not benefit either way by slowing or speeding up, so again not a valid point from your argument here.

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May 17, 2020 15:26:53   #
Amielee Loc: Eastern Washington State
 
Harvey wrote:
Boy have you been living under a rock some where- Lincoln, Jesse James, Wild Bill Hickok, Martin Luther King, Pres Regen, one of the Beatles, one of the other Kennedy s- the list goes on- even Oswald was shot by Jack Ruby-


Don’t you recognize sarcasm when you see it?

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May 17, 2020 15:30:48   #
PH CIB
 
It does not really matter, if Oswald acted alone end of Story, if not, nothing will ever be done about it, same with 9/11.......These are not tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, These are Professionals.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I&t=2s

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May 17, 2020 15:31:22   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Lucian wrote:
There very clearly is molten metal from news helicopter footage of the building. There would be no benefit or detriment to speeding up or slowing down of the white smoke streak footage from the security footage from the car park across from the Pentagon, seen running level close to the ground and hitting the Pentagon. So that shoots those two arguments out the window, from you. Also the firemen video footage would not benefit either way by slowing or speeding up, so again not a valid point from your argument here.
There very clearly is molten metal from news helic... (show quote)


OK - melting aluminum - but "Not" structural steel - no pools of it were found -jagged and warped steel but no melted. woops white smoke -from what kind of missile that could be disguised and used as a passenger plane - did the missile proceed the plane, follow it or ???? Did they mount air liner wheels/landing gear on it too??

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May 17, 2020 15:36:06   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
PH CIB wrote:
It does not really matter, if Oswald acted alone end of Story, if not, nothing will ever be done about it, same with 9/11.......These are not tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, These are Professionals.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I&t=2s


Not only professionals but people who took the time to learn how to carry out their dirty deeds. Call them fanatics with a goal, money and time to carry it out.

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May 17, 2020 15:38:25   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
Amielee wrote:
Don’t you recognize sarcasm when you see it?


You threw me with your sarcasm -Sorry about that-

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May 17, 2020 15:48:38   #
PH CIB
 
PH CIB wrote:
It does not really matter, if Oswald acted alone end of Story, if not, nothing will ever be done about it, same with 9/11.......These are not tin foil hat conspiracy theorists, These are Professionals.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l-8PFk8j5I&t=2s



Watch the Video with Evidence provided by Architects, Engineers, and Scientists and then let's all have a Logical Discussion about it....it is one hour long by Colorado PBS.....

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May 17, 2020 16:25:15   #
rightofattila
 
Explosions? Yes! Molten aluminum explodes when it comes into contact with water.

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May 17, 2020 17:06:50   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
PH CIB wrote:
Watch the Video with Evidence provided by Architects, Engineers, and Scientists and then let's all have a Logical Discussion about it....it is one hour long by Colorado PBS.....


I watched this and found 1 big flaw in their building #7 coverage - the damage to it from the falling other buildings - it has been shown in other films - the fires on the outside of the buildings are not as hot as the ones that are on the inside with the stair wells and elevator shafts acting as chimneys drawing vast amounts or air up to the fire areas-those who know how a smelter of forge works know that the more air you give a fire the hotter it gets - noticed this in the video of #7 collapsing - the center - where the elevator shafts caved in first making the collapse fall from the inside first . The same would be with the 2 towers air pressure being forced back down those stair wells and 50 so elevator shafts would proceed the debris and blow out those windows like bombs.
This DIY Rocket Stove demonstrates just what happened tho those buildings with their "built in chimneys" The bricks are the concrete,glass and steel walls - yes no body really knows how hot the fire was at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdR6WXggiKQ

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May 17, 2020 17:37:54   #
PH CIB
 
Harvey wrote:
I watched this and found 1 big flaw in their building #7 coverage - the damage to it from the falling other buildings - it has been shown in other films - the fires on the outside of the buildings are not as hot as the ones that are on the inside with the stair wells and elevator shafts acting as chimneys drawing vast amounts or air up to the fire areas-those who know how a smelter of forge works know that the more air you give a fire the hotter it gets - noticed this in the video of #7 collapsing - the center - where the elevator shafts caved in first making the collapse fall from the inside first . The same would be with the 2 towers air pressure being forced back down those stair wells and 50 so elevator shafts would proceed the debris and blow out those windows like bombs.
This DIY Rocket Stove demonstrates just what happened tho those buildings with their "built in chimneys" The bricks are the concrete,glass and steel walls - yes no body really knows how hot the fire was at the top.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdR6WXggiKQ
I watched this and found 1 big flaw in their build... (show quote)


Thank You for the intelligent and logical response, although I do not agree, I understand your logical thought process in thinking the way you do, either way whether You are right or I am right, We are leaving our Children a World that to me anyway is much more a Mess than the one we inherited....

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May 17, 2020 18:06:18   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
PH CIB wrote:
Thank You for the intelligent and logical response, although I do not agree, I understand your logical thought process in thinking the way you do, either way whether You are right or I am right, We are leaving our Children a World that to me anyway is much more a Mess than the one we inherited....


Yes - we make our decision on how and what we have to lead us in what direction we choose. I am one who is fortunate enough to have lived thru a lot over my 82 yrs. was 4 when WW2 started and 7 when it was over watched from the sidelines thru Korea and Nam but paid attention and learned how lucky me and my family are. "Wifie" of 62 yrs and I quiver to think of what our 8 grands and 6 great grands are going thru-life has changed so much over the last few years and tomorrow is certainly not looking too good.
We stay informed by reading articles rather than watching TV - we have not had a TV in over 7 yrs - WiFi but no T.V.

"Keep you chin up and your powder dry"

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May 17, 2020 18:19:40   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
Harvey wrote:
OK - melting aluminum - but "Not" structural steel - no pools of it were found -jagged and warped steel but no melted. woops white smoke -from what kind of missile that could be disguised and used as a passenger plane - did the missile proceed the plane, follow it or ???? Did they mount air liner wheels/landing gear on it too??


Well, first off, molten aluminium does not glow red and yellow and is in fact almost hard to see in bright daylight, ask a TIG welder who welds aluminium. Also please remember that this rubble pile was supposedly just crushed floors up on floors, supposedly flattened by gravity. Therefore, hugely insulated from the fires that burned on the top sections, yet they remained there burning for about 12 weeks, not matter how much water was emptied onto this rubble pile.

The firemen had stated the fires were nearly out on those burning floors, just before the tower collapsed and therefore, logic would suggest that these top floor fires that were almost out, would have been snuffed out in the collapse, or at worst, burned themselves out over a period of a week or so, especially with the amount of water that was poured on them, yet they burned and burned for 12 weeks or more. Also why did all that rubble quickly get shipped away overseas, rather than be put in a containment area to be investigated? What was the rational behind removing everything far overseas, does that make sense?

Then just click on this video, not speeded up or slowed down, just real heroes talking about what they actually saw, and this is again real people (firemen) who were there risking their lives, not tin foil hat types. Again, I am showing you facts, so that you can't accuse me of making stuff up full of untruths. I tend to believe people who were there experiencing this, rather than your opinions. Click here and have a listen..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCdRA09pztM

As for the jet that hit the pentagon, where are the engines and wheels in the early photos taken by the Marines, before the top structured collapsed, making that V shape and does that not look like a small hole for such a large jet to have made? Also with all the security cameras that must surround such a building, why has there never been a single frame showing a jet flying into it, been released. Also why are there no tree tops or light poles taken out in the path of this jet that flew that low and made that hole so close to the ground? I'm just asking logical questions, not suggesting anything. I'd be interested to hear your views on these questions though.

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May 17, 2020 18:49:40   #
Lucian Loc: From Wales, living in Ohio
 
You also might like to take a look at this site for a report on the molten metal.
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/faqs/365-faq-5-what-was-the-molten-metal-seen-pouring-out-of-the-south-tower-minutes-before-its-collapse

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May 17, 2020 19:49:58   #
PH CIB
 
Lucian wrote:


Thermite/Thermate in the Rubble Pile makes this a much more sophisticated operation than We have been led to believe, at the Very Best our Government was Incompetent and Criminally Negligent....too many clues beforehand were missed or ignored and Agencies did not cooperate with one another....However that being said as one Person said, We can stop all the potential Terrorist Attacks, We only have to miss one for Disaster to happen....So I really can't say I or anyone else would have done better.....

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