Bill 45 wrote:
Had a great day driving around the back road of Northern New York taking pictures. I made a post back on page 1 and now I am on page 8. Read all the reply up to page 8, I see I am the only one who has read the list of fire arms ban in Canada. All I am reading is about the 2thAmendment and what I will do if someone come to my house. Yet right; that and $2.00 will get you the morning paper. Someone is a retire lawman. Good you live to get your pension, may you live to 120 years old. What with handgun with 22 rounds in it, who did you piss off? If you can't stop something with two rounds at most you have a problem That was told to me by cop who have 15 years on the job with NYPD and was a ex-marine. ( He retire out after 20 years.)
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Oh, Bill. Where do I start, and how can I dumb it down enough for you to understand? So some NYPD cop told you something (which was completely and entirely wrong, by the way), but yet it’s the gospel truth to you. Yes, a bullet may stop someone with one hit. Most of the time, though, they don’t. Google a search and see how many times cops have had to shoot thugs high on PCP. I guarantee you they shot the suspect more than once to stop them. Notice I said stop them, not kill them. Law enforcement officers are not trained to kill anyone. They are trained to stop them from what they are doing.
Your NYPD friend says you only need two bullets. Ok. So are you assuming that the criminal will immediately stop what he’s doing and stand completely still so that you can only use two bullets on him? Don’t you think by this point he would either be trying to kill the officer or escape from the officer? If he is, wouldn’t you imagine that he’s moving and trying to evade you as fast as possible? How good do you imagine an officer would have to be with a firearm to hit somebody with both shots in the kill zone? Also, not every bullet will incapacitate an offender. In the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, two felons got into a gunfight with eight FBI agents. In the ensuing gun fight, two FBI agents were killed and 5 others wounded. Strangely enough, the two killers, William Matix and Michael Platt, never stopped trying to kill the agents, which led to the FBI agents having to expend much more ammo while trying to save their lives. Platt was hit multiple times rounds from a 9mm, a .38 Special, and a 12 gauge shotgun. The autopsy on Platt showed that while some of the hits he took were effective strikes, Platt just kept on fighting and refused to stop. The toxicology tests on Matix and Platt “showed that the abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gunshot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were drug-free at the time of their deaths”. (From the official FBI autopsy reports.)
So why would your esteemed NYPD associate tell you that only 2 shots would be needed to stop someone? Do you suppose Matix and Platt had failed to read that before they engaged in this gun fight with the FBI? My personal thoughts, due to some of my gun fights, is that either the NYPD officer was either full of shit, or that you misunderstood him and just want to believe what you think should happen. And only you can answer that, Billy.
As far as my pistol with 22 rounds, I understand, as do many other gun owners and law enforcement officers like Dennis on here, that you being attacked, whether at home, in your car, at work, at church, while camping, or horse riding, or anything else, will always be unpredictable. What happens to someone else will not always be what happens to you. I will tell you this, though, Bill. After the gun fights I was in, no one ever looked at their partner and said, “Gee, I sure wish I would have had less ammo with me today”. If nothing else Bill, trust me on this one. If someone, God forbid, is actively trying to kill you or your family, it is something that will change your life forever. The only thing you can do is be ready for it as much as possible with a firearm and as much training you can get. I could not imagine going through the rest of my life seeing a grand child be killed in front of me and knowing I could have done my best to prevent that, and then realizing I didn’t. I hope that’s a choice you never have to make.