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May 3, 2020 15:45:59   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Frank T wrote:
Tested as to the law and tested as to their actually being able to handle the firearm and hit the target consistently.



Good, I like it, now tell me what states require you to register your guns?

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May 3, 2020 15:48:50   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
FRENCHY wrote:
Yes because some are too girlies to elect someone with balls like Harper was.


Hey ... when Canadians were murdered in Iran, Trudeaup stepped to the plate and sternly blamed Trump.

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May 3, 2020 15:50:08   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Frank T wrote:
Dennis,
All rights guaranteed by the Constitution have limits put on them. Why is the 2nd Amendment different than the 1st. I'll wait.


The Second Amendment has limits as well. If you are a convicted felon you may not carry or even touch a firearm of any type. Any honest citizen should have the right to keep and bear firearms. There is of course an age limit. A 7 year old may not carry a firearm.

Perhaps you can tell us the limits on the right to religious freedom as well as the right to freedom of the press. With freedom of speech there is the caveat you may not yell, FIRE, such as in a crowded theater. Other than that it is pretty open.

I am still waiting for any good reason for you or anyone else to register your firearms.

Dennis

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May 3, 2020 15:52:26   #
pendennis
 
Frank T wrote:
Dennis,
You make a point of drivers passing tests. Why don't gun owners have to pass a test.
Let's treat them like automobiles.
1. Register them
2. Insure them
3. Train drivers and test them.
Makes sense to me. My guns are registered. I'm insured and I've been trained and tested.


If I may, driving a car on public roads is a privilege paid for by your tax dollars. Now, on your own property, you don't have to have a license to drive a car or use your private property.

By the same reasoning, owning a gun is a right, not a privilege. For the same reason we have a right to vote, speak freely, be secure in our own homes, etc., we have a right to keep and bear arms.

You don't have to take a test, or otherwise qualify to speak, vote or pray to a god (if you believe).

Exercising a right costs no one anything. If you speak, and I don't agree with you, I may rebut, or I may ignore you, or I may depart your area. If I remain in my home, you are not inconvenienced; it costs you nothing. I can carry my gun all day and it costs you nothing. All rights are such. Only privileges cost other people their money or freedom.

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May 3, 2020 16:08:24   #
pendennis
 
Migradudetoo wrote:
I’m a retired federal law enforcement agent with 36 years served. I have killed other people trying to kill either myself or my partner. I used my Glock 19 pistol, with was loaded with Federal 9 BPLE ammunition, which was a 115 gr. 9 mm +P+ round, purchased exclusively for the U.S. Border Patrol. It had a muzzle velocity of 1300 FPS, which was excellent for outdoor carry. It was the precursor bullet for what would become the current Federal HST round, which is probably the best police ammo ever developed. I carry it in my Sig Sauer P365 pistol, and I have 22 rounds of it in my Sig Sauer P320 next to the bed. So kindly go pound sand, Billy, with your assertions. Just because you’re a girlie man doesn’t mean everyone else is also.
I’m a retired federal law enforcement agent with 3... (show quote)


I've never had to use my pistols to defend my friends, loved ones, or me. However, I train often and have fired most courses (remember Hogan's Alley?). My first encounter during training was at the basement range of the Louisville Dept of Police, when an instructor started out with situational awareness. Each of us in the group was isolated from the drill. When I took my turn, I saw an individual who was just over 20 feet away. I saw only his profile, and my dummy weapon was holstered. Suddenly, he turned and ran at me, drawing a rubber knife. Before I could draw, he was on me, and I would have been dead or badly stabbed and cut.

From that point, through today, I keep myself aware of anyone within 15 yards.

Unlike you, I don't often carry a 9mm pistol. My favorite is a S&W M&P Compact in .40 S&W. It's not a nice round to stand and shoot at paper, but it is effective.

I have two other choices, and both are in 1911-type pistols. My favorite in the 9mm class, is a Colt LTWT Commander chambered in .38 Super. I've always have a love for that round. The second is a Springfield 1911 EMT. It's probably the best fitting of all, thanks to a set of grips I reconfigured for it. I also have several 1911 types in .45 ACP. In full-size and commander sizes, it's recoil is not bad, and a lot depends on just how the grips are fitted.

Lastly, thanks for your service to our country.

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May 3, 2020 16:22:11   #
Bill 45
 
Had a great day driving around the back road of Northern New York taking pictures. I made a post back on page 1 and now I am on page 8. Read all the reply up to page 8, I see I am the only one who has read the list of fire arms ban in Canada. All I am reading is about the 2thAmendment and what I will do if someone come to my house. Yet right; that and $2.00 will get you the morning paper. Someone is a retire lawman. Good you live to get your pension, may you live to 120 years old. What with handgun with 22 rounds in it, who did you piss off? If you can't stop something with two rounds at most you have a problem That was told to me by cop who have 15 years on the job with NYPD and was a ex-marine. ( He retire out after 20 years.)

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May 3, 2020 16:55:06   #
Wrangler Loc: North Texas
 
I am prepared to defend my country, my home, animals, family and livelihood. I did have to defend my country and I pray that will never have to do it again I did serve once and if my country calls, I will be willing. I am equipped.

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May 3, 2020 17:10:44   #
pendennis
 
Bill 45 wrote:
Had a great day driving around the back road of Northern New York taking pictures. I made a post back on page 1 and now I am on page 8. Read all the reply up to page 8, I see I am the only one who has read the list of fire arms ban in Canada. All I am reading is about the 2thAmendment and what I will do if someone come to my house. Yet right; that and $2.00 will get you the morning paper. Someone is a retire lawman. Good you live to get your pension, may you live to 120 years old. What with handgun with 22 rounds in it, who did you piss off? If you can't stop something with two rounds at most you have a problem That was told to me by cop who have 15 years on the job with NYPD and was a ex-marine. ( He retire out after 20 years.)
Had a great day driving around the back road of No... (show quote)


No, you aren't the only one who has read the complete list. I read it on another forum, and there's not a firearm on the list which has any value in combat, and are in no way "assault" or "assault-type" rifles. They're all incapable of being converted to full auto. The list also includes the Ruger Mini-14 which is also a sporting rifle used to keep critters in check.

If a person breaks into your home, remember this: Dialing 911 will guarantee the cops get there in time to cover your dead body.

You should also take time to take some remedial writing and communications. Your "sentences" are hardly comprehensible.

Finally, there are no "Ex-Marines". All Marines are Marines until the day they die, as are Sailors, Soldiers, Coast Guard, and Air Force personnel.

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May 3, 2020 17:38:49   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
LWW wrote:
My guess is still blame Trump.



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May 3, 2020 18:25:44   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
pendennis wrote:
I've never had to use my pistols to defend my friends, loved ones, or me. However, I train often and have fired most courses (remember Hogan's Alley?). My first encounter during training was at the basement range of the Louisville Dept of Police, when an instructor started out with situational awareness. Each of us in the group was isolated from the drill. When I took my turn, I saw an individual who was just over 20 feet away. I saw only his profile, and my dummy weapon was holstered. Suddenly, he turned and ran at me, drawing a rubber knife. Before I could draw, he was on me, and I would have been dead or badly stabbed and cut.

From that point, through today, I keep myself aware of anyone within 15 yards.

Unlike you, I don't often carry a 9mm pistol. My favorite is a S&W M&P Compact in .40 S&W. It's not a nice round to stand and shoot at paper, but it is effective.

I have two other choices, and both are in 1911-type pistols. My favorite in the 9mm class, is a Colt LTWT Commander chambered in .38 Super. I've always have a love for that round. The second is a Springfield 1911 EMT. It's probably the best fitting of all, thanks to a set of grips I reconfigured for it. I also have several 1911 types in .45 ACP. In full-size and commander sizes, it's recoil is not bad, and a lot depends on just how the grips are fitted.

Lastly, thanks for your service to our country.
I've never had to use my pistols to defend my frie... (show quote)


Ahhhhh, the famous 21 foot knife rule. I have heard it for years in my training as LEO and Corrections officer. As you know but for others who may not have heard of it it goes something like: A suspect can start running toward you with a knife and unless you already have your firearm out and are prepared he will/can kill you, stabbing you multiple times before you even get your firearm out of a holster.

I have practiced doing this and have had my trainees practice as well. It is pretty well spot on the truth.

Years ago, probably the 1970's there was an incident written up by a firearms author, Massad Ayoob, on one of the Southern Ca beaches where a security guard, not a police officer, heard screams from beach goers because a crazy man was running down the beach toward him and swinging a knife in a threatening manner. The guard was armed and had perhaps one hundred yards to react but did not. The knife threatening 5150 (crazy) man ran directly toward the guard yelling he was going to kill him. By the time the crazy man reached the guard the guard was just starting to draw his firearm, too late. He was stabbed and then the crazy man started gutting him. By this time the police arrived but, for those like my friend, John Frim, they could only take the suspect into custody (I think they shot and killed him when he went for them).

Your caliber and firearm preferences mirror mine. Generally speaking my defense calibers all start with the number 4. I also love the 38 Super. Love the 1911 platform as well though I often carry one of three Glocks these days, two 40's and one 45 ACP.

Great post,

Dennis

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May 3, 2020 18:42:42   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Bill 45 wrote:
Had a great day driving around the back road of Northern New York taking pictures. I made a post back on page 1 and now I am on page 8. Read all the reply up to page 8, I see I am the only one who has read the list of fire arms ban in Canada. All I am reading is about the 2thAmendment and what I will do if someone come to my house. Yet right; that and $2.00 will get you the morning paper. Someone is a retire lawman. Good you live to get your pension, may you live to 120 years old. What with handgun with 22 rounds in it, who did you piss off? If you can't stop something with two rounds at most you have a problem That was told to me by cop who have 15 years on the job with NYPD and was a ex-marine. ( He retire out after 20 years.)
Had a great day driving around the back road of No... (show quote)


My friend you are someone who seems to lack any sort of common sense. All you have are your tainted notions that you are right and everyone who disagrees is wrong. I can't help but wonder just how much combat training you have, how much information you have even read about regarding real shots fired in anger and to save your own or someone else's life. How easily you forget that perhaps there are 22 cartridges available but what about multiple attackers. Are you assuming there is always only one thug who will attack you? Criminals are cowards and very often there are at least two and sometimes more.

You are also forgetting the stress of the situation. This isn't a target shoot, the criminal won't stand there while you take careful aim to shoot him/her. The criminal may be shooting at you too. Are you going to be standing there as a stationary target with your head up your butt or will you be shooting while looking for cover. Not concealment but actual cover that might protect you? Will you have the knowledge to also be looking for a second or third thug? Will you be out of breath from being out of shape physically speaking? Next time you go out to shoot a handgun or even a rifle try putting the firearm on the shooting bench then back up at least 50 yards. Run at high speed to the firearm and then shoot at the target from at least 25 yards away. See how accurate you are. Then tell us again that 22 rounds is 20 too many.

You see it isn't all as you see on television or in the movies. I suspect you have never come across a real hardened criminal who mentally speaking is fully capable of killing you right in front of your wife and children and then raping your wife with your children looking on. There may also be a woman right there on the side of the thug who will hold you at gunpoint while her husband/boyfriend rapes your wife. Afterward you will all be killed, possibly burned alive.

Just so you know I am telling you this with 4 years as a combat Marine, 10 years as a street cop in Southern Ca and another 20 years as a correctional officer in maximum security prisons, a police firearms instructor for many of those years and a corrections academy instructor for a few years.

I am curious. What did you do for a living before you started driving Northern NYS taking photographs.

Dennis

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May 3, 2020 18:56:52   #
Migradudetoo Loc: El Paso, Texas
 
Bill 45 wrote:
Had a great day driving around the back road of Northern New York taking pictures. I made a post back on page 1 and now I am on page 8. Read all the reply up to page 8, I see I am the only one who has read the list of fire arms ban in Canada. All I am reading is about the 2thAmendment and what I will do if someone come to my house. Yet right; that and $2.00 will get you the morning paper. Someone is a retire lawman. Good you live to get your pension, may you live to 120 years old. What with handgun with 22 rounds in it, who did you piss off? If you can't stop something with two rounds at most you have a problem That was told to me by cop who have 15 years on the job with NYPD and was a ex-marine. ( He retire out after 20 years.)
Had a great day driving around the back road of No... (show quote)


Oh, Bill. Where do I start, and how can I dumb it down enough for you to understand? So some NYPD cop told you something (which was completely and entirely wrong, by the way), but yet it’s the gospel truth to you. Yes, a bullet may stop someone with one hit. Most of the time, though, they don’t. Google a search and see how many times cops have had to shoot thugs high on PCP. I guarantee you they shot the suspect more than once to stop them. Notice I said stop them, not kill them. Law enforcement officers are not trained to kill anyone. They are trained to stop them from what they are doing.

Your NYPD friend says you only need two bullets. Ok. So are you assuming that the criminal will immediately stop what he’s doing and stand completely still so that you can only use two bullets on him? Don’t you think by this point he would either be trying to kill the officer or escape from the officer? If he is, wouldn’t you imagine that he’s moving and trying to evade you as fast as possible? How good do you imagine an officer would have to be with a firearm to hit somebody with both shots in the kill zone? Also, not every bullet will incapacitate an offender. In the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, two felons got into a gunfight with eight FBI agents. In the ensuing gun fight, two FBI agents were killed and 5 others wounded. Strangely enough, the two killers, William Matix and Michael Platt, never stopped trying to kill the agents, which led to the FBI agents having to expend much more ammo while trying to save their lives. Platt was hit multiple times rounds from a 9mm, a .38 Special, and a 12 gauge shotgun. The autopsy on Platt showed that while some of the hits he took were effective strikes, Platt just kept on fighting and refused to stop. The toxicology tests on Matix and Platt “showed that the abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gunshot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were drug-free at the time of their deaths”. (From the official FBI autopsy reports.)

So why would your esteemed NYPD associate tell you that only 2 shots would be needed to stop someone? Do you suppose Matix and Platt had failed to read that before they engaged in this gun fight with the FBI? My personal thoughts, due to some of my gun fights, is that either the NYPD officer was either full of shit, or that you misunderstood him and just want to believe what you think should happen. And only you can answer that, Billy.

As far as my pistol with 22 rounds, I understand, as do many other gun owners and law enforcement officers like Dennis on here, that you being attacked, whether at home, in your car, at work, at church, while camping, or horse riding, or anything else, will always be unpredictable. What happens to someone else will not always be what happens to you. I will tell you this, though, Bill. After the gun fights I was in, no one ever looked at their partner and said, “Gee, I sure wish I would have had less ammo with me today”. If nothing else Bill, trust me on this one. If someone, God forbid, is actively trying to kill you or your family, it is something that will change your life forever. The only thing you can do is be ready for it as much as possible with a firearm and as much training you can get. I could not imagine going through the rest of my life seeing a grand child be killed in front of me and knowing I could have done my best to prevent that, and then realizing I didn’t. I hope that’s a choice you never have to make.

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May 3, 2020 18:59:53   #
Migradudetoo Loc: El Paso, Texas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Ahhhhh, the famous 21 foot knife rule. I have heard it for years in my training as LEO and Corrections officer. As you know but for others who may not have heard of it it goes something like: A suspect can start running toward you with a knife and unless you already have your firearm out and are prepared he will/can kill you, stabbing you multiple times before you even get your firearm out of a holster.

I have practiced doing this and have had my trainees practice as well. It is pretty well spot on the truth.

Years ago, probably the 1970's there was an incident written up by a firearms author, Massad Ayoob, on one of the Southern Ca beaches where a security guard, not a police officer, heard screams from beach goers because a crazy man was running down the beach toward him and swinging a knife in a threatening manner. The guard was armed and had perhaps one hundred yards to react but did not. The knife threatening 5150 (crazy) man ran directly toward the guard yelling he was going to kill him. By the time the crazy man reached the guard the guard was just starting to draw his firearm, too late. He was stabbed and then the crazy man started gutting him. By this time the police arrived but, for those like my friend, John Frim, they could only take the suspect into custody (I think they shot and killed him when he went for them).

Your caliber and firearm preferences mirror mine. Generally speaking my defense calibers all start with the number 4. I also love the 38 Super. Love the 1911 platform as well though I often carry one of three Glocks these days, two 40's and one 45 ACP.

Great post,

Dennis
Ahhhhh, the famous 21 foot knife rule. I have hea... (show quote)


Dennis, that’s one firearm I’ve never had the pleasure of shooting, the 38 Super. It’s an excellent round, and being on a 1911 frame makes it even sweeter!

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May 3, 2020 19:00:16   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Migradudetoo wrote:
Oh, Bill. Where do I start, and how can I dumb it down enough for you to understand? So some NYPD cop told you something (which was completely and entirely wrong, by the way), but yet it’s the gospel truth to you. Yes, a bullet may stop someone with one hit. Most of the time, though, they don’t. Google a search and see how many times cops have had to shoot thugs high on PCP. I guarantee you they shot the suspect more than once to stop them. Notice I said stop them, not kill them. Law enforcement officers are not trained to kill anyone. They are trained to stop them from what they are doing.

Your NYPD friend says you only need two bullets. Ok. So are you assuming that the criminal will immediately stop what he’s doing and stand completely still so that you can only use two bullets on him? Don’t you think by this point he would either be trying to kill the officer or escape from the officer? If he is, wouldn’t you imagine that he’s moving and trying to evade you as fast as possible? How good do you imagine an officer would have to be with a firearm to hit somebody with both shots in the kill zone? Also, not every bullet will incapacitate an offender. In the 1986 FBI Miami shootout, two felons got into a gunfight with eight FBI agents. In the ensuing gun fight, two FBI agents were killed and 5 others wounded. Strangely enough, the two killers, William Matix and Michael Platt, never stopped trying to kill the agents, which led to the FBI agents having to expend much more ammo while trying to save their lives. Platt was hit multiple times rounds from a 9mm, a .38 Special, and a 12 gauge shotgun. The autopsy on Platt showed that while some of the hits he took were effective strikes, Platt just kept on fighting and refused to stop. The toxicology tests on Matix and Platt “showed that the abilities of Platt and Matix to fight through multiple traumatic gunshot wounds and continue to battle and attempt to escape were not achieved through any chemical means. Both of their bodies were drug-free at the time of their deaths”. (From the official FBI autopsy reports.)

So why would your esteemed NYPD associate tell you that only 2 shots would be needed to stop someone? Do you suppose Matix and Platt had failed to read that before they engaged in this gun fight with the FBI? My personal thoughts, due to some of my gun fights, is that either the NYPD officer was either full of shit, or that you misunderstood him and just want to believe what you think should happen. And only you can answer that, Billy.

As far as my pistol with 22 rounds, I understand, as do many other gun owners on here, that you being attacked, whether at home, in your car, at work, at church, while camping, or horse riding, or anything else, will always be unpredictable. What happens to someone else will not always be what happens to you. I will tell you this, though, Bill. After the gun fights I was in, no one ever looked at their partner and said, “Gee, I sure wish I would have had less ammo with me today”. If nothing else Bill, trust me on this one. If someone, God forbid”, is actively trying to kill you or your family, it is something that will change your life forever. The only thing you can do is be ready for it as much as possible with a firearm and as much training you can get. I could not imagine going through the rest of my life seeing a grand child be killed in front of me and knowing I could have done my best to prevent that, and then realizing I didn’t. I hope that’s a choice you never have to make.
Oh, Bill. Where do I start, and how can I dumb it... (show quote)




Well said. But so filled with common sense. I doubt you can dumb it down enough for bill to understand and then admit he hasn't a clue what he is talking about.

Dennis

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May 3, 2020 19:02:14   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Migradudetoo wrote:
Dennis, that’s one firearm I’ve never had the pleasure of shooting, the 38 Super. It’s an excellent round, and being on a 1911 frame makes it even sweeter!


My thoughts exactly. I owned one years ago and foolishly traded it off.

Dennis

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