dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

This virus can be spread by walking down the sidewalk and having a total stranger sneeze or cough in your direction. This is not like tracking a sexually transmitted disease by asking the woman who she has had sex with in the past month.

So now having that information how can you even attempt to place blame on our leadership in Washington? That is not even a common sense statement. It is just one more idiotic attempt to blame President Trump for something he is not responsible for. What would you have him do, maybe take a look at whatever street cameras are there in hopes of watching someone sneeze on passersby and then try to locate those passersby?

Please take your TDS medication. We have enough to do just handling this new virus. We don't need Liberal hate too.

Dennis

wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN

They've always known that more would get and recover than die, it is just that it is so much more, both virulent and at least 10 times more deadly than the seasonal flu. From the beginning they have never said anything higher than a 3% death rate. It is that not only more virulent and deadly, since it has never been encountered by man, almost, if not everyone will eventually get it. It is like the common cold virus, everyone, at some point in there life will have a common cold and because it mutates we can't get a vaccine nor can our own immune system know how to fight every mutation so you get the cold, sometimes every year. We don't know if we can create a vaccine for it or if we get immunized by having it. We will be finding out over the next few months.

wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN

Right now, the only thing we can do is not overload our healthcare system by spreading out the infection. We are not going to eliminate the virus.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

For sure. Keep in mind the base rate does not include those who do not take a test...which they suspect might be ten times those who get sick enough to get a test. So the actual fatality rate might be one tenth of your numbers.

Someone asked “why test those who aren’t sick?” The reason is to get that base rate.

We don’t have to test everyone. A statistical sample accounting for some types of variation (e.g. age, initial health, location, living situation) is all. A few thousand tests will provide a great start.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

Maybe some need to work on a TDS vaccine.

IDguy Loc: Idaho

One bit of good news is that there is some data suggesting this virus hasn’t been mutating like the flu virus. I forget the details of how they know that. But if true it might mean one vaccine dose could virtually eliminate it. Like polio (or measles before the idiot infusion).

I say virtually because of the idiots that eschew vaccines.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/25/820998549/the-coronavirus-is-mutating-but-that-may-not-be-a-problem-for-humans

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

The only known cure is common sense.

Dennis

IDguy Loc: Idaho

Seems in short supply in some parts of the country. Compare the Covid map to the blue states map.

Tex-s

He committed three offenses worthy of sanction. 1) bypassing the chain of command to challenge the orders of superior officers. 2) Disseminating military info to those not cleared to have it. 3) Using unapproved / unsecured networks.

Even if your accusation has merit, there are plenty of avenues full of plausible deniability.

the hiker Loc: San Diego

its easy all it takes is one person to get infected while in port ;then they bring it onboard and it spreads to others.You have a captive audience;the aircraft carrier has about 5000 people onboard while at sea and operates 24/7.Mess decks are open 24/7 on most carriers while at sea.Just like a cruise ship once it starts spreading unless it gets caught right away you can have a major problem.The pilots fly on and off the ship everyday and the ship stops at different ports at least every 30 t0 60 days for liberty.

berchman Loc: South Central PA

(I copied this comment from Quora.)

It is a well-established fact that Capt. Brett Crozier was relieved of command of USS Theodore Roosevelt after a letter he wrote to his superiors was leaked to the press. There have been headlines stating that he was “fired,” but this is simply incorrect: Capt. Crozier is still in the Navy, with his rank, perquisites and privileges intact—other than having command of TR, of course.

The decision to relieve Crozier was made ostensibly by Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly, a Trump appointee. I mention that last fact because many people in key positions in the administration have the “acting” designation and thus have avoided the normal Senate vetting and confirmation process.

Acting SecNav’s remarks said in part:

“Captain Crozier had allowed the complexity of his challenge with COVID breakout on the ship to overwhelm his ability to act professionally.”

“I lost confidence in his ability to lead that warship as it continues to fight through this virus, get the crew healthy so that it can continue to meet its national security requirements.”

“This decision is not one of retribution. It is about confidence. It is not an indictment of character, but rather of judgment”

The Acting SecNav also claimed that Capt. Crozier sent the letter through unsecured channels. We have no way to know whether this statement is correct. I am unaware of any reason why he would use unsecured rather than secure channels, or if he did so.

Some people have characterized Capt. Crozier as being “panicked,” “emotional” and “frantic.” Anyone who says this would certainly not draw those conclusions from the letter he wrote and which was leaked by someone else

At the time Capt. Crozier wrote the letter, 100 sailors were infected out of the 5,400 members of the ship’s company and squadrons. I deployed aboard an American aircraft carrier for two years (USS Shangri-La, CVS-38). I can attest that even on a vessel as massive as an aircraft carrier, space is at a premium. What we somewhat quaintly refer to as “social distancing” in the civilian world is impossible aboard a Navy warship—of any size. Capt. Crozier knew how rapidly a disease as contagious (and potentially deadly) as COVID-19 could spread. This knowledge and concern is what motivated his actions.

After the release of the letter, some 2,700 people have been taken off the ship and placed into quarantine. The ship will undergo a thorough cleaning and sanitation, which will take about ten days of intensive work from hundreds of people.

The reason so many people cheered and chanted Capt. Crozier’s name as he left the officer’s brow for the last time is that they knew he had acted with the highest concern for their safety.

Brett Crozier has had a career that any military person could describe as “stellar.” He is a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy, received his master’s degree from the Naval War College, and qualified in both helicopters (Seahawk) and fixed-wing jets (F/A-18, in which he has 3,000 hours. He has commanded a squadron and one other warship before the Roosevelt. Naval officers do not receive assignments with such high prestige as a nuclear supercarrier without having demonstrated the highest level of professionalism and commitment.

I think the reason Modly relieved Capt. Crozier of his command (possibly at the behest of the President) is that he went outside the sacred chain of command and ultimately, once the letter had been leaked, caused some embarrassment to his superiors.

My own opinion, speaking as someone who served eight years in the U.S. Navy, is that Capt. Crozier upheld the highest ideals of the service—even at the cost of his career.

I would be proud to serve under him as my Commanding Officer.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I love the way, NOT, you inserted, (possibly at the behest of the President). That shows me you have absolutely no idea if President Trump was even asked about the situation but simply decided to take a jab at President Trump. That one sentence alone shows me where your thoughts are.

Yes you would be proud to serve under this Captain and his troops seem to feel the very same way. I know no more than you do but do recall that there are specific avenues of communication to take in these situations. It appears that no matter the honorable and good feelings of the Captain he did not follow those recommended avenues to communicate with his superiors. Sometimes with the very best of intentions the best of us screw up. It seems that is the situation with this Captain.

Certainly nobody knows for sure but I suspect IF he had communicated through proper channels the very same ending would have happened. Sailors would have been off the ship and quarantined and the ship would have been sanitized.

There is no huge political story here. The Captain is a human being and is still capable of making errors as it seems he did. A few years ago, you can look it up if you choose, I believe there were two instances of Naval ship Captains who were in charge of ships that were in accidents with other ships/boats. Those Captains were also highly regarded but were relieved of their command too. It happens.

Dennis

berchman Loc: South Central PA

At his briefing on Saturday, Mr. Trump likewise endorsed the firing of Capt. Brett E. Crozier of the Navy, who was removed from command of the aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt after sending his superiors a letter pleading for help for his virus-stricken crew. “He shouldn’t be talking that way in a letter,” the president said. “I thought it was terrible what he did.”

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

OK. Apparently the President and I am in agreement with this.

No matter the good intentions of the Captain there are specific protocols that military personnel need to follow. Apparently the good Captain did not follow those guidelines and got his hand slapped.

Dennis

marine73 Loc: Modesto California

Everyone is blaming the Captain, but why was SecNav and Secdef not issuing orders to the ships at sea to cancel their port calls until this crisis has been secured or eliminated. The first reported case in the US was 20 January, the ship and all the escorts did not go into port in Vietnam Until sometime in February. The Secnav and Secdef had at least 15 days to inform all ships at sea to take precautions if they were leaving port or to outright cancel all port calls until further notice.

No one know for sure whether the Captain followed his chain of command or not. If he did and was not being given satisfactory Guidance then he did have every right to go above or outside his chain of command.

I was told as a young Marine to follow orders and if I disagreed with them to take them up the chain of command and if the chain of command could not defend the orders in a satisfactory manner to take it up with some who could find a satisfactory reason for those orders. Luckily I never had to question the orders that I was given. Always said Aye Aye sir and did it my way since it was a better way and usually quicker and more efficient.

DCB