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Feb 17, 2020 09:21:16   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
JBGLADSTONE wrote:
I am a very basic amateur with both the camera and Post processing. Yes I have my camera set for "Raw+jpeg. The one thing I missed or it was not covered.The OP didn't say what software is being uses.
I have purchased ON1 RAW 2020. I am obliviously on a steep learn curve. That said, one feature I really like when using Raw in Develop is "AI" . It just does most of the work for me. Plus I add in "Add Filter" is Dynamic Contrast . Those two will give me a smile and only took a few seconds. Crop and I am done.
I am a very basic amateur with both the camera and... (show quote)


The fun of photography is taking the photo and the end result. The between exposure and end product [paper or 50"TV] is which way works for you to achieve the satisfying end result with minimal work and thinking. You develop your work flow and it makes your life easier using the same sequence over and over with some adjust with the sliders.

Big takeaway from one Topaz Webinar is to set the slider you are working with to the far right then back-off till the photo looks good then back off a tad more. That prevents over cook look [or at least minimizes it.]

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Feb 17, 2020 09:21:59   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
What I would like to see is an exact recipe to convert RAW into Canon or Nikon etc. that precisely matches jpeg images directly from the camera. Make that your starting point and then adjust to personal preference.
Particularly when shooting portraits, I have a hard time getting a precise match, and usually find jpegs from camera to be better than my RAW conversions when exposure and WB are correct to start with. If someone can help me here I’d appreciate the guidance.


If you’re shooting Canon, download a copy of the latest version of Digital Photo Professional (DPP) from the Canon USA website. DPP will apply the same in-camera setting you use for JPEGs to the raw files it converts. You can use that as a starting point for further post processing. If you’re shooting a different brand, I can’t assist.

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Feb 17, 2020 09:34:15   #
Kuzano
 
speters wrote:
Of course, because jpegs are already processed! The difference is that the camera decided on the how, as that is up to you when shooting raw!


Absolute hogwash disseminated unwisely by those who know little about JPEG and their camera controls.

On all Fujifilm cameras I own, and have owned I can I can set up to 7 profiles and pick a proper profile for the type of pic I am shooting. The camera then processes all JPEGs according to my custom profile for that type of shot.

Furthermore,When I used Olympus camera's the same was true for up to 4 custom profiles which are applied to the JPEG's, as I chose. NOT AS THE CAMERA CHOSE.

The continuing misinformation that the user has no control over JPEG output in processing is misleading to those who want to avoid the hugely time wasting use of RAW is a dis-service to the UHH community.

Most camera mfrs now provide Pre Shot custom processing of JPEGs in the camera.

Consequently, I am able to both process before and after the shot, all of which are my controls and NOT the camera's. Enough to satisfy my needs to sell salable image and hang then on the wall (in large sizes, up to 20x30 for instance).

So my personal choice is to customize to the degree I am able, without the heartache and time spent in RAW editing. And, I get files I can see immediately and still adjust more to my liking.

Please be more clear about the "letting the camera do the processing" As the mfr intended, which is highly misleading.

JPEG controls through the image processor are nearly as managable as screwing with RAW.

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Feb 17, 2020 09:34:56   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Cancelled

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Feb 17, 2020 09:35:55   #
BboH Loc: s of 2/21, Ellicott City, MD
 
wapiti wrote:


In my mind achieving a pleasing result as a result of manipulating various and sundry computer program options is a matter of self-satisfaction, deservedly so.
But, the same self satisfaction can be achieved by manipulating the computer in your hand; if the end result is as desired it matters not that there were umpteen options available in a desk-top computer program - that were not used.

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Feb 17, 2020 09:42:17   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
My thought is that RAW works great when there are flaws to correct in the photo. If you’re happy with how your JPEG's come out, go for it.

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Feb 17, 2020 09:44:25   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
jradose wrote:
I have been shooting in raw for quite some time now, but lately, I switched to JPEG, and I don't think I will be going back to raw. My photos seem to be crisper, and much colorful. I cannot duplicate that rich color in shooting raw. Plus, there is much less post processing. Here are several photos I took today, the only post processing was to crop for better perspective.

Welcome to the dark side!

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Feb 17, 2020 09:46:39   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
Kuzano wrote:
Absolute hogwash disseminated unwisely by those who know little about JPEG and their camera controls.

On all Fujifilm cameras I own, and have owned I can I can set up to 7 profiles and pick a proper profile for the type of pic I am shooting. The camera then processes all JPEGs according to my custom profile for that type of shot...


All the cameras I'm familiar with will allow you to adjust some settings in the camera, which will be applied when the jpeg is produced.

One of the advantages of raw is that you can change those settings after you have taken the photo. Not possible with jpg.

Another advantage of raw is the camera settings have finer controls in postprocessing. In camera you might have 3-7 levels of a given setting whereas in postprocessing you could have 100 levels.

Kuzano wrote:
...The continuing misinformation that the user has no control over JPEG output in processing is misleading to those who want to avoid the hugely time wasting use of RAW is a dis-service to the UHH community...


It is true that the user has some control over jpg in processing, but less control than the user would have over the raw file. Raw does not have to be hugely time wasting. I personally don't find it so.

Kuzano wrote:
...JPEG controls through the image processor are nearly as managable as screwing with RAW.
Operative word "nearly".

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Feb 17, 2020 09:48:37   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don't think that just because you've made it to the next level of photography that the RAW naysayers will just disappear ...


Ya where’s my mirrorless?

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Feb 17, 2020 09:51:17   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
Kuzano wrote:
Absolute hogwash... The camera then processes all JPEGs according to my custom profile for that type of shot.


Some cameras do not have the luxury of using custom profiles for processing the RAW data into jpgs... in any event the camera does process it and this action is completely 'hidden' from the end user.

Dik

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Feb 17, 2020 09:51:34   #
BooIsMyCat Loc: Somewhere
 
jradose wrote:
I have been shooting in raw for quite some time now, but lately, I switched to JPEG, and I don't think I will be going back to raw. My photos seem to be crisper, and much colorful. I cannot duplicate that rich color in shooting raw. Plus, there is much less post processing.


IF you use Lightroom, you can set it to use your camera's settings (the default is Adobe). Done correctly, this will display your thumbnails (in the Library) with the SAME settings that are applied in-camera to jpg images.

With this setup, you could then select a photo, click on Develop, click on the 4 squares to the right of "Profile" (under the Basic tab) and scroll down to see what your RAW image looks like compared to what your jpg images look like (in camera). You should see a thumbnail specific to your camera. Above that, you should see thumbnails of all your camera's picture style selections. Hover over each and the photo you have selected will change accordingly.

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Feb 17, 2020 09:55:22   #
FotoHog Loc: on Cloud 9
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
There is really no need for these constant testimonials touting one way as superior to the other since the decision should be based on personal interests, needs and desires.

And you can do both!

And you can switch at any time! It's always open season on choosing whether to shoot raw 😀 👍


My sentiments exactly

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Feb 17, 2020 09:55:40   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
TriX wrote:
If you’re shooting Canon, download a copy of the latest version of Digital Photo Professional (DPP) from the Canon USA website. DPP will apply the same in-camera setting you use for JPEGs to the raw files it converts. You can use that as a starting point for further post processing. If you’re shooting a different brand, I can’t assist.


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Feb 17, 2020 09:55:44   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 

Linda, you have expressed my feelings exactly!
Papa Joe

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Feb 17, 2020 09:55:44   #
Dikdik Loc: Winnipeg, Canada
 
"but less control than the user would have over the raw file..."

You don't want to have control over the RAW file in the camera... you may want to modify it, outside the camera, but maintain the original, 'best' data.

Dik

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