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Feb 5, 2020 23:40:12   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
DocDav wrote:
i shoot a canon 90D and post process in PS. I always save RAW and JPEG simultaneous so later when scanning what is good and wort processing in PS it is simpler to see on the computer screen.

All camera's have a menu setting to shoot Vivid, or Fine Detail, Natural etc. Does that in camera processing only apply to the saved jpeg? In other words RAW is RAW, exactly what the camera really saw based on white balance, ISO and etc? It contains all the data without processing? Is that why I can process so much more acutely in PS on RAW vs jpeg? So, there for, all the setting in the camera menu, detail, landscape, vivid and etc are truly not necessary to shooting RAW?
i shoot a canon 90D and post process in PS. I alw... (show quote)


All you need to know is in your camera. You can use either the software that came with it to edit raw files or a third party app - Photoshop/Lightroom is by far the most popular choice these days. Take a picture as jpeg and raw simultaneously. I generally don't recommend this because you may be giving up some potential using a jpeg exposure setting when an image is shot raw and "exposed to the right" with highlights protected often provides better results - but for this exercise it will be illuminating nonetheless. Attempt to edit the jpeg in Photoshop and then do the same with the raw file in ACR or Lightroom. Try simple things, like adjusting the color and white balance, adding contrast and noise reduction locally to some areas and not others, desaturating and adjusting contrast and sharpness in areas other than the primary subject, etc. You're likely to come to the conclusion that it is far easier to do this on a raw file than on a jpeg. Put another way, to do this in Photoshop requires advanced skills, while the adjustments in ACR/Lightroom are far easier. Once you experience this, you'll be on your way to answering the question in your topic.

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Feb 5, 2020 23:49:29   #
johngault007 Loc: Florida Panhandle
 
mwsilvers wrote:
They do if you are using Canon's DPP software. DPP applies the in-camera settings to your raw image the same way the camera applies those settings to jpegs.


That has already been discussed, and I have a thumbs up to I think Trix for pointing it out. And I have no access to the DPP software, so it's still true for me

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Feb 6, 2020 06:46:03   #
steve33 Loc: Yarmouth MA
 
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Feb 6, 2020 07:20:22   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
robertjerl wrote:
Basically you have it. That 13 page Kilkenny Kat Fight with it's PhD level of knowledge is more than you need to know for daily life and editing.


I have not yet visited Kilkenny, Robert. Is it famous for contentious/combative people?

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Feb 6, 2020 08:11:14   #
mizzee Loc: Boston,Ma
 
i was told that the in-camera settings were only applicable to jpegs and that raw was just raw.

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Feb 6, 2020 08:54:10   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
mizzee wrote:
i was told that the in-camera settings were only applicable to jpegs and that raw was just raw.


That's almost true but there are a few exceptions where a camera setting that's meant to produce a result in the camera JPEG also alters the raw data saved. Most notably the various camera's features designed to address high dynamic range lighting conditions will do this.

Joe

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Feb 6, 2020 09:45:26   #
elliott937 Loc: St. Louis
 
I think you answered your own question. What I tell me students is this: RAW = film negative. Camera doesn't touch it. .jpg uses "decisions" that are on a microchip in your camera, and some programmer made decisions FOR you. If you have a good camera, why would you want someone else making decisions for you? Use RAW, so that you, the photographer, makes those important decisions.

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Feb 6, 2020 09:51:51   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
More than one page? What a surprise!

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Feb 6, 2020 10:09:46   #
ltatko
 
Stop "chewing" him out!!

Just help!! That's the UHH mission!!


Len

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Feb 6, 2020 11:02:09   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
ltatko wrote:
Stop "chewing" him out!!

Just help!! That's the UHH mission!!


Len


I agree, Len. But I think it would carry more weight if we knew who you were talking to (Quote Reply).

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Feb 6, 2020 11:12:45   #
ltatko
 
The guy who didn't realize RAW was a UHH topic.

Jumping on him!!

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Feb 6, 2020 11:41:38   #
Nicholas DeSciose
 
You are correct, the in camera adjustments only affect JPEG‘s. That’s the beauty of raw it’s a pure and perfect image. More than 80% of what you would ever need to do with one of your photographs can be accomplished in RAW

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Feb 6, 2020 11:43:58   #
cameraf4 Loc: Delaware
 
ltatko wrote:
The guy who didn't realize RAW was a UHH topic.

Jumping on him!!


Still not specific enough.

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Feb 6, 2020 12:06:53   #
NCMtnMan Loc: N. Fork New River, Ashe Co., NC
 
DocDav wrote:
Thanks!. I know RAW contains all the data the sensor sees. Specifically, and I cannot find this online here or in google, i was wonder if the specific camera setting ( vivid, detail, etc) affect RAW or they are redundant unless shooting jpg. They do not seem to have any effect in RAW.


Think about it like RAW is what film was in that it is just the data captured by the sensor. The vivid, detail etc is how you want the software in the camera to process the RAW data into a jpeg. PP software is like a darkroom in your computer where you take the "film (data)" to process it into a viewable picture. Digital data just gives you almost unlimited darkroom capabilities that were never imagined with film.

I hop this helps.

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Feb 6, 2020 12:15:45   #
jeep_daddy Loc: Prescott AZ
 
DocDav wrote:
i shoot a canon 90D and post process in PS. I always save RAW and JPEG simultaneous so later when scanning what is good and wort processing in PS it is simpler to see on the computer screen.

All camera's have a menu setting to shoot Vivid, or Fine Detail, Natural etc. Does that in camera processing only apply to the saved jpeg? In other words RAW is RAW, exactly what the camera really saw based on white balance, ISO and etc? It contains all the data without processing? Is that why I can process so much more acutely in PS on RAW vs jpeg? So, there for, all the setting in the camera menu, detail, landscape, vivid and etc are truly not necessary to shooting RAW?
i shoot a canon 90D and post process in PS. I alw... (show quote)


Yes Yes Yes. You have it down pat and are "keyrect" Madam! (Doc)

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