What "is" RAW exactly
Feb 5, 2020 07:44:48 #
DocDav
Loc: IN
i shoot a canon 90D and post process in PS. I always save RAW and JPEG simultaneous so later when scanning what is good and wort processing in PS it is simpler to see on the computer screen.
All camera's have a menu setting to shoot Vivid, or Fine Detail, Natural etc. Does that in camera processing only apply to the saved jpeg? In other words RAW is RAW, exactly what the camera really saw based on white balance, ISO and etc? It contains all the data without processing? Is that why I can process so much more acutely in PS on RAW vs jpeg? So, there for, all the setting in the camera menu, detail, landscape, vivid and etc are truly not necessary to shooting RAW?
All camera's have a menu setting to shoot Vivid, or Fine Detail, Natural etc. Does that in camera processing only apply to the saved jpeg? In other words RAW is RAW, exactly what the camera really saw based on white balance, ISO and etc? It contains all the data without processing? Is that why I can process so much more acutely in PS on RAW vs jpeg? So, there for, all the setting in the camera menu, detail, landscape, vivid and etc are truly not necessary to shooting RAW?
Feb 5, 2020 07:49:53 #
Uhhh, are you serious? For the past several days there has been a HUGE discussion here about RAW, 13 pages at this point. I have learned more than I ever wanted to know. Check it out.
Feb 5, 2020 08:00:49 #
DocDav
Loc: IN
have been working way too hard to keep up in here this week. After 14 hr days just been too tired. Will go search. PS. There may have been a less demeaning way to say that to me. Think?
Feb 5, 2020 08:01:14 #
I'm not trying to be a smart *** here, but CameraF4 is correct. There is a discussion that's been happening that started out great and sort of went off the deep end. If you go to www.google.com and type in the following search you will get a lot of information from this site. Then you might be able to ask a specific question you have about RAW
Search using this at google.com: site:uglyhedgehog.com RAW
You can change RAW to anything, just make sure the site:uglyhedgehog.com is there.
Search using this at google.com: site:uglyhedgehog.com RAW
You can change RAW to anything, just make sure the site:uglyhedgehog.com is there.
Feb 5, 2020 08:04:13 #
There has been so much discussion here about RAW data! When you shoot RAW the settings made to the camera become invalid. It is only during editing that changes can be applied.
Because RAW data is a capture where there has been no intervention by the software of the camera all changes to the data as I said are done in post. The expertise and experience of the operator is what brings back all of the goodness. The data is very flexible.
Modern RAW data editors in my experience are applying sharpness and although I am not completely sure I believe WB is also applied.
Because RAW data is a capture where there has been no intervention by the software of the camera all changes to the data as I said are done in post. The expertise and experience of the operator is what brings back all of the goodness. The data is very flexible.
Modern RAW data editors in my experience are applying sharpness and although I am not completely sure I believe WB is also applied.
Feb 5, 2020 08:07:20 #
DocDav
Loc: IN
Thanks!. I know RAW contains all the data the sensor sees. Specifically, and I cannot find this online here or in google, i was wonder if the specific camera setting ( vivid, detail, etc) affect RAW or they are redundant unless shooting jpg. They do not seem to have any effect in RAW.
Feb 5, 2020 08:08:49 #
Feb 5, 2020 08:09:05 #
DocDav wrote:
Thanks!. I know RAW contains all the data the sensor sees. Specifically, and I cannot find this online here or in google, i was wonder if the specific camera setting ( vivid, detail, etc) affect RAW or they are redundant unless shooting jpg. They do not seem to have any effect in RAW.
Those settings do not apply to RAW files in Canon cameras.
Feb 5, 2020 08:09:24 #
Feb 5, 2020 08:25:39 #
cameraf4 wrote:
Uhhh, are you serious? For the past several days there has been a HUGE discussion here about RAW, 13 pages at this point. I have learned more than I ever wanted to know. Check it out.
Sorry, Dude. Haven't had my coffee yet. If you go here (https://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-630446-1.html) I think you'll see what I was talkin about.
Feb 5, 2020 08:29:33 #
Feb 5, 2020 08:38:10 #
Generally, RAW is all the image data you sensor captures. It allows more choice in editing your way, and uses larger files. JPEG is a scaled down image the camera has pre-edited it’s way. It eliminates data you could have used if it were there, and makes for smaller files. Use RAW if you now want-or may ever want-full data, to allow you to edit your own images, or if you want images others can edit for you. USE JPEG if you are in a hurry, and don’t mind data loss, because you never want to edit your images...or if you will post your images to online dating sites, or in emails, etc, and so need smaller files. If you have a dual card slot camera, you may be able to record RAW versions of your images to one card, and JPEG images to the other card.
Feb 5, 2020 08:40:59 #
johngault007 wrote:
Those settings do not apply to RAW files in Canon cameras.
Or any other cameras either.
They affect only the JPEG that the camera produces.
You can achieve the same effects with much better control while processing the raw file on your computer. You can then easily undo them and try something else.
Feb 5, 2020 08:42:45 #
Feb 5, 2020 08:55:46 #
gvarner
Loc: Central Oregon Coast
In summary, you are right. RAW is an un-embellished file recording the WB, ISO, shutter, and aperture settings. I believe that what you see on a screen is the JPEG that is embedded in the RAW. I use PS Elements and when I open a RAW in the Editor I can select the camera's settings as a starting point for my edits, although I don’t do it that way.
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