Death of DSLR may be premature?
Jan 8, 2020 09:07:14 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Has anyone ever seen a mirrorless camera on the road to failure?
Many just don't see the failure until they look in the mirror.
Jan 8, 2020 09:08:03 #
At the university where I teach, there are many photography courses, even including B&W with darkroom experience. Photo software is also taught. If the number of photo majors in my physics class is an indicator of the upcoming future, DSLR users have nothing to fear. There will be plenty of young company on the horizon.
Jan 8, 2020 09:12:40 #
mrpentaxk5ii wrote:
I turned 62 in august of last year, I still have m... (show quote)
You look like a serious sea kayaker. Where do you Kayak mostly? The Hudson? Last June I was at Croton Point Park for the Hudson River Greenland Festival and did a trip from Cold Spring to Peekskill on a chilly day with 25 mph winds howling down river. We had two rescues that day. What fun! Do you shoot from your kayak?
Jan 8, 2020 09:25:07 #
billnikon wrote:
Many here have posted on the death of the DSLR. Well, according to Canon and Nikon, that statement may be a bit of an exaggeration?
Canon just released the 1DX MarkIII and Nikon the D780. Nikon also introduced the new Nikon 120-300 2.8 zoom.
Mark Twain said it best, “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”
Canon just released the 1DX MarkIII and Nikon the D780. Nikon also introduced the new Nikon 120-300 2.8 zoom.
Mark Twain said it best, “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”
Yeah I've wondered the same.
Personally after using both mirrorless and DSLR I actually prefer the latter due to ergonomics and durability.
Jan 8, 2020 09:25:49 #
User ID wrote:
Simple. As SLR demise accelerates toward us,
Nikon felt compelled to skip 760, and 770, and
leap frog right up to 780. But Nikon knows that
the SLR will twist in the wind for a while longer.
And so they reserved number 790 for a hedge.
Nikon felt compelled to skip 760, and 770, and
leap frog right up to 780. But Nikon knows that
the SLR will twist in the wind for a while longer.
And so they reserved number 790 for a hedge.
Nikon has never been strictly consecutive when numbering. the D7XXX line jumped from the D7200 to the D7500, the D8XX line from D810 to D850, the D5XXX line from D5300 to D5500. Even previously in the D7XX line it went from D700 to D750. Numbering means nothing.
Jan 8, 2020 09:27:43 #
[quote=billnikon]Many here have posted on the death of the DSLR. Well, according to Canon and Nikon, that statement may be a bit of an exaggeration?
Canon just released the 1DX MarkIII and Nikon the D780. Nikon also introduced the new Nikon 120-300 2.8 zoom.
Mark Twain said it best, “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”[/quo
Means nothing. Film is still being made and shot but overall its presence and use in the marketplace is barely noticeable, much like people desiring to hear their music on vinyl records. The same will be true of DLSRs in a decade, someone will still make them but only a few diehards will still have the desire (or money) to have and use them.
While the future may or may not be mirrorless, it definitely will not be DSLRs unless there is some revolutionary development happens. My prediction is that like computers, cellphones etc, photography will take a direction that nobody even sees coming. Maybe resolutions will get so high that only one standardized lens is needed, any photo taken can be cropped and enlarged as needed without any loss of detail. Software internal to the camera will "assemble" the image and modify it as required for use.
Canon just released the 1DX MarkIII and Nikon the D780. Nikon also introduced the new Nikon 120-300 2.8 zoom.
Mark Twain said it best, “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”[/quo
Means nothing. Film is still being made and shot but overall its presence and use in the marketplace is barely noticeable, much like people desiring to hear their music on vinyl records. The same will be true of DLSRs in a decade, someone will still make them but only a few diehards will still have the desire (or money) to have and use them.
While the future may or may not be mirrorless, it definitely will not be DSLRs unless there is some revolutionary development happens. My prediction is that like computers, cellphones etc, photography will take a direction that nobody even sees coming. Maybe resolutions will get so high that only one standardized lens is needed, any photo taken can be cropped and enlarged as needed without any loss of detail. Software internal to the camera will "assemble" the image and modify it as required for use.
Jan 8, 2020 09:44:00 #
I'm sure the last buggy whip was really nice.
If Canon and Nikon want to chase a shrinking share of a shrinking market ... well ... okay then.
If Canon and Nikon want to chase a shrinking share of a shrinking market ... well ... okay then.
Jan 8, 2020 09:45:07 #
It took me years to switch from film to DSLR shooting. One thing is certain change is coming but sadly many of us won’t be here so I don’t worry about it at all. I recently purchased a Canon EOS R to see if what users were saying was true. It’s not much lighter than my full frame camera (3oz) without adapter and lenses. Makes some noise shooting but is truly unbelievable in low light shooting. For me I would not go back to a DSLR from mirrorless because it is only going to get better in the next five years.
Jan 8, 2020 10:37:14 #
"Yes! Both Canon and Nikon started out making mirrorless but they couldn't compete with Leica in the mirrorless field."
I am sure that you are referring to the late 50's when rangefinder cameras were built. When Nikon introduced in 1957 the Nikon SP Leica immediately felt the pain.
Life Magazine switched to Nikon when the late David Douglas Duncan returned from the Korean War. Life have published many of his photographs made during the war with Nikon lenses in his Leica bodies and it was not till he returned from the war that Life learned the images have been made with Japanese lenses.
Leica, as far as I know, never succeeded with their SLR bodies while Canon and Nikon became very popular among photographers. Canon tried to get away from the mirror using what was called at the time Pelix. It was a surface placed between the path of light and the film plane that made the same function of removing the mirror. This is something I remember but I have not searched. For one reason or another Pelix cameras were not a success.
Although as we all know camera sales have been down mirrorless have been selling pretty well. These cameras have technologies not present in dSLR bodies and many professionals have switched and they are now using mirrorless bodies. AF, as far as I know, has been improved and I am sure in the near future these cameras will be very good for action and wildlife photography as AF continues to develop. Very convenient they are with their small size and weight and perfect for hiking or the traveling photographer.
No, I do not believe there will be no dSLR in the future on the contrary, many photographers still prefer those cameras but I cannot speak about the future which is unknown to me.
At the time of this writing mirrorless cameras are doing very well.
I am sure that you are referring to the late 50's when rangefinder cameras were built. When Nikon introduced in 1957 the Nikon SP Leica immediately felt the pain.
Life Magazine switched to Nikon when the late David Douglas Duncan returned from the Korean War. Life have published many of his photographs made during the war with Nikon lenses in his Leica bodies and it was not till he returned from the war that Life learned the images have been made with Japanese lenses.
Leica, as far as I know, never succeeded with their SLR bodies while Canon and Nikon became very popular among photographers. Canon tried to get away from the mirror using what was called at the time Pelix. It was a surface placed between the path of light and the film plane that made the same function of removing the mirror. This is something I remember but I have not searched. For one reason or another Pelix cameras were not a success.
Although as we all know camera sales have been down mirrorless have been selling pretty well. These cameras have technologies not present in dSLR bodies and many professionals have switched and they are now using mirrorless bodies. AF, as far as I know, has been improved and I am sure in the near future these cameras will be very good for action and wildlife photography as AF continues to develop. Very convenient they are with their small size and weight and perfect for hiking or the traveling photographer.
No, I do not believe there will be no dSLR in the future on the contrary, many photographers still prefer those cameras but I cannot speak about the future which is unknown to me.
At the time of this writing mirrorless cameras are doing very well.
Jan 8, 2020 10:59:46 #
Jan 8, 2020 11:02:03 #
camerapapi wrote:
"Yes! Both Canon and Nikon started out making... (show quote)
The SP is a great camera but as you know DD used Nikkor on his Leica and didn't buy the SP. Both Nikon and Canon learned at that time there was no way they can beat Leica. They could make better cameras than Leica but not beating Leica. Switching to SLR they also learned that there is no way Leica can beat them in the mirror game.
Jan 8, 2020 11:04:45 #
billnikon wrote:
Many here have posted on the death of the DSLR. Well, according to Canon and Nikon, that statement may be a bit of an exaggeration?
Canon just released the 1DX MarkIII and Nikon the D780. Nikon also introduced the new Nikon 120-300 2.8 zoom.
Mark Twain said it best, “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”
Canon just released the 1DX MarkIII and Nikon the D780. Nikon also introduced the new Nikon 120-300 2.8 zoom.
Mark Twain said it best, “The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated.”
Until there are no significant advantages to using a dSLR, or not enough people want them, they will be made and sold. As big as the photo industry STILL is, I wouldn't worry yet.
Note that you can still buy a new Nikon F6 film camera or a Leica M-A film camera. Enough people want them to justify their continued availability, as astounding as that is, when they cost $2500 and $4700 or so, respectively. GREAT used film bodies are plentiful, so why spend that kind of money? Yet people do, eagerly.
I quit using dSLRs several years ago. My work needs and my workflows at that time had changed to favor a specific camera, the mirrorless Panasonic Lumix GH4. When or if I need something different, I'll get it, even if it happens to be a dSLR or a 4x5 film camera.
I don't understand the paranoia some express here, or the defensive nature of some remarks about one platform or the other. Markets shift in relative favor over time.
Sometimes, there is a significant and rapid paradigm switch, such as from carbon paper copies to Xerographic copies, or from Polaroid film to digital imaging, or mechanical watches to digital quartz watches, or analog audio media to digital media.
However, in other situations, such as dSLR to mirrorless, there is a gradual shift, then a residual market large enough to support some continued production and even R&D. Examples would be the continued availability of some photographic sizes and types of photographic film, the pressing of vinyl records, and the sale of turntables and tube amplifiers. There's always a core of diehards who will keep buying "residual products" like '57 Chevy parts until death. Not that there's anything wrong with that... You can still find several brands of buggy whips on Amazon...
If you've read Chris Anderson's The Long Tail, you know why. We're not living in JUST a "Top 40" world any longer.
Jan 8, 2020 11:14:32 #
Jan 8, 2020 11:14:47 #
Peterfiore wrote:
After all, he did say that while he
was in the pink!!!
After all, he did say that while he
was in the pink!!!
Right !
It was true in the moment,
but he is now long dead.
Jan 8, 2020 11:19:20 #
..."When or if I need something different, I'll get it, even if it happens to be a dSLR."... The voice of reason from Burkphoto.
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