dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

[quote=Bill P]

C'mon what the heck kind of answer is that. We are talking about sharpness. Better would be the photograph looks SHARPER using the mirrorless camera and lens than what would have been possible with a DSLR. This isn't a contest and it wasn't a trick question.

It sounds as if some of you are trying to sell mirrorless to those of us who just don't see the need. Almost every day someone touts mirrorless cameras and tells us all how much better they are. I am simply asking what is better. I had thought much lighter in weight because many people post that they are old, can't carry the heavy weights of something like the Canon 5D Mark 5 or Nikon D850. So they move to mirrorless. But as one poster pointed out they are not all that lighter if at all.

Now it is said that some of the mirrorless cameras can offer sharper photos. I am only asking how much sharper. That can't be too tough. I am still not trying to be difficult but am looking for an answer as to why I should ever move to mirrorless if it isn't really that much better. Is it that everyone is rushing to get in on the next best futuristic product for lack of a better reason; too much gas perhaps?

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I totally agree with you. So far I have people tell me I look 50. So far except for certain movements I still feel like 40. I'm good. I do hope I might have room for one more nice camera in my arsenal. Perhaps I could use the two close to new 4X5's I was given and have never used.

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I looked at the SL a couple of years ago and could have bought it at the time but wanted the M10 more. I thought it was an excellent camera and liked it a lot. I do like Leica quality. But my money tree isn't offering much these days.

Like you I would love to win the lottery, any lottery. But God continues to tell me, Work with me. Buy a ticket.

Dennis

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Thanks for your comment.

Dennis

dwrcymru Loc: North Wales, UK

Take a look through the viewfinder of a mirror-less camera when the battery has run out and let me know me what you see.

"Timmers", wow, those two images hurt my eyes, they look like they were taken for an old Danish top-shelf magazine from the '60s, absolutely awful. It just goes to show that having the most expensive gear in the world (if you actually do own it) will make you a photographer.

I'm going through a stage now where I'm trying the M43 system, bought a Lumix G5 body, an adapter so I can use my Canon lenses on it using manual focus and I have to say I was impressed with the technology.

I did after a couple of weeks get a native M43 lens, the Panasonic 14-42mm f3.5-5.6 II and took a few shots. When the lens arrived and I unpacked it my other half said you paid what for that?

I thought the idea of having a camera that could, with adapters use all the lenses I own, and it does, this is one of the reasons I went for the Canon EOS system. I have a few older lenses that I use all the time on my Canon but with the 2x POV of the M43 system, I need to get used to it.

My Sigma 18-250mm Canon mount now becomes a 36-500mm lens and with my 2x teleconverter becomes a 72-1000 kind of lens.

I like the M43 system, right now it feels like I'm using a toy camera because of the weight and size, but I'll probably get used to it eventually. I paid £40.00 for the Lumix DMC-G5 (had less than 2000 shutter fires), the 14-42mm lens was also £45.00, both used, I'm having fun and that's what counts.

tgreenhaw

I suspect the difference in sharpness is solely due to the lack of vibration caused by the mirror activity. This is a very minute difference. I know the Canon had trouble resolving the pixels on the 50 megapixel sensor due to mirror vibration and took significant steps with the 5Ds to resolve that. There is a rumor of a 75 megapixel mirrorless from Canon. For under 40 megapixels, mirror vibration is likely a non issue. Clean high pixel count is useful when you want to print super high quality posters and heavily cropping images. If you don't do those things, this mirrorless advantage is likely moot.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I really don't know. Of course the mirror slap can affect the photo but really how much? We have all used SLR's and DSLR's over the years and never noticed a huge problem. Look at all of the incredible photos that even film photographers have taken. When taking photos of something close up or macro such as a static object the mirror can be locked up if needed. VR can be turned off. Fantastic photos will still be taken by cameras with mirrors.

I am not at all putting mirrorless cameras down. If people like them then that is all that counts. I am perfectly happy with my D800.

Dennis

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Has anyone ever seen a mirrorless camera on the road to failure?

dwrcymru Loc: North Wales, UK

I have also heard that shutter slap can affect M43 images.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

I have never been on the road to failure so haven't seen anything even remotely like mirrorless cameras.



Dennis

dasgeiss

Thanks for your reply. I do understand the physics of the flopping mirrors but what I don't understand, which I obviously did not make clear, my apologies, is why that bothers anyone. I mean, I don't hear or feel anything when I take a picture with one. Hope this is clearer. Anyway thanks for taking the time and effort to answer. It is appreciated.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

If you are talking to me then you are welcome. If you click on Quote Reply before answering then your reply goes directly to the person you are talking to. Otherwise we have no idea who is talking to who.

Dennis

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Luck has a lot to do with how you select your camera. Don't let it be the bad luck of picking a new camera with an old-style mirror.

Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.

We're all here for the same reason, we love cameras of all kinds and love to take photo's. Mirrorless cameras have less moving parts than DSLR's and tend to be a little smaller in size, both systems take wonderful photo's.

Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC

My Nikon F was loud and it shook, but the vibration was nearly all after the curtain closed. My D3300 shakes less, but mainly when the sensor is exposed. (Oddly, my D3200 shakes far less than my D3300. I don't know if it is due to poor QC with the entry models, a bad fall, or a design change.) Some of the better mirrored cameras are so smooth that technique becomes the limiting factor with respect to blur, or at least that's my impression. As an aside, with digital exposures being so inexpensive, burst mode and cherry picking can help a lot due to the random movements when shooting hand held when VR/IS is at its limits, similar to how a balancing shaft works in an engine.