dasgeiss

Thanks again, Dennis! I thought "Reply" went to the person over it. Learn something new every day!

Ched49 Loc: Pittsburgh, Pa.

I don't believe mirror slap in a DSLR causes little of any vibration in the camera. Look at the pro sports cameras like the D5 or Canon's 1DX, if there was any vibration, what professional would be using them?

joncogar Loc: WV

One expensive drawback to mirrorless
cameras the sensor is exposed during lens changes. Dirt on the sensor is a bad thing

https://www.jmpeltier.com/disadvantages-of-mirrorless-cameras/

Bill P

Whatever you think of his photos (I think some are good and others are execrable) I must question haow you can make this statement. He has taken the time to earn an advanced art degree. Have you? do you not value an education?

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

Bill, I'm not going to denigrate anyone in particular. I am going to take issue with your statement regarding advanced degrees in anything. One needs to understand how the, at least, modern colleges work with post-grad degrees. If one gets into a post-grad program, good grades are going to happen. It's more a benefit to the school for that to happen than the student's. A friend of mine is an advisor for post-grad work at a large university. The conversational information he's revealed can be surprising.
--Bob

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

You are welcome. Quote Reply is one of the best tools for UHH users.

Dennis

dsmeltz Loc: Philadelphia

Steven!?!?!
What are you doing??? Saying something balanced and rational in this thread is unheard of!

dasgeiss

That's what I am saying also. We have all seen some of the most beautiful photos coming out of DSLRs. Maybe with a high powered microscope one could see a difference but who would do that and what for? I think it is the person behind the camera that makes the most difference. A Professional Photographer I have communicated with in the past took a photo that was just beautiful. It was a photo of a row of houses on the opposite bank of a river at sundown. Just perfect in every detail as I could see so I asked him what camera he used, etc. He said he used his iPhone because he didn't have his regular equipment with him at the time. I was blown away!

Retina Loc: Near Charleston,SC

You are totally correct given the context. These are heavy cameras. Mirror vibration is heavily damped by the mass of the camera attached to fast, long, heavy lenses. Even though some pros select from hundreds of frames before submitting to their editors, I would expect none are ever rejected due to mirror shake.

My car was totaled last year by a large buck sprinting, I presume, from a wildlife photographer he mistook for a hunter with a cannon. Had it run into a freight train I doubt the engineer would have felt a thing. Recall that acceleration=Force/mass.

Attached to pro sports lenses, mirrors are tiny and nearly weightless, so shutter blur is practically non-existent. Stabilization on these systems is probably more important for nature work at dusk and dawn, for investigators, and photojournalists where the lighting can be a challenge and every bit helps. Even then, it is more likely needed for human movement when hand held with long exposures more than for the mirror mechanism.

Bill P

As a grad school dropout, I certainly understand how things go. And I think your feeling may well be valid for recent degrees but not for advanced degrees from all time. I believe from what he has said, Timmers is no spring chicken, so I would like all of us to at least admit that he may know a few things that we don't. Does he know everything? who does? But I have the same educational background as Ansel Adams and although I dont entirely care for his work, I would never put myself on the same level. But I must say that my educational background gave me a leg up.

I have found that those who denigrate advanced degrees have never tried.

Hamltnblue Loc: Springfield PA

It's no more a problem on mirrorless if you change the lens right away.
If dirt gets on the mirror, it winds up on the sensor eventually when the mirror cycles.

dasgeiss

Totally Agree!!

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

When I was just a little boy, my parents used to take me to the camera store. I wanted to see the cameras. Such amazing designs, such amazing lenses, such amazing prices. My father would buy a new camera every few years even though his pictures where never really very good. He was always reading the DXO sharpness charts and discussing the micron size of the pixels. His images were hardly ever in focus. After he passed I was going through his things. I fear he read on UHH that equipment is what matters most and as he grew older, he never could free himself from this thought.

Beenthere

[quote=Badgertale]Interested in opinions concerning the functionality between DSLR's and Mirror-less cameras. I would like to purchase a mirror-less camera but I am not sold on why. Many blogs tout the future of photography but I have not seen any compelling reasons as to why I would be better off with the future as apposed to what I have at the moment (D700x2 and D500).

I've been shooting since the 60s, slightly more recently with an earlier digital cam. A long interval was next where I didn't do much photography at all. Once my interest had been rekindled I had to make a decision similar to yours. Since I had been an old "film" shooter The DSLR seemed the most familiar. Boy was I wrong, and have things ever changed. I decided that rather than back-stepping, I'd jump into the future. An old friend of mine recommended that I look into the Olympus products (I previously owned an old Pen F 1/2 frame film cam). Olympus seemed to be forging ahead on many fronts, including mirror-less technology, and a more compact design. The deep menus in modern cams can be daunting, but if you learn one, the others will come more easily. This may not answer your question but may provide food for thought. Bottom line: If you like the camera you have and have invested in lenses, you might want to stay there and just upgrade.

BebuLamar

I don't mean to insult but are you telling the truth? DXO and you as a little boy don't seem to go together.