IBIS vs VR
Jul 7, 2019 10:40:33 #
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
Longshadow wrote:
Usually a manufacturer uses only one type of VR.
Some have it in the lens, some have it in the body.
I know of no camera that uses both at the same time.
In lens and in body are both types of Vibration Reduction.
Some have it in the lens, some have it in the body.
I know of no camera that uses both at the same time.
In lens and in body are both types of Vibration Reduction.
Olympus and Panasonic use both. Eventually, others will catch up to them.
Jul 7, 2019 10:40:34 #
Sony A7 line uses both in body and in lens stabilization at the same time. You can use tripods with both on with no problems. I can hand hold for at least a second shutter speed with Sony stabilization.
Any comments about manufacturers not being to produce both in body and in lens stabilization systems that work together are wrong. Sony has been doing it for several years. Technology is changing the way we can produce images. Use it or don't, but it is wrong to use limitations of film cameras and lenses for what digital photography is today.
Any comments about manufacturers not being to produce both in body and in lens stabilization systems that work together are wrong. Sony has been doing it for several years. Technology is changing the way we can produce images. Use it or don't, but it is wrong to use limitations of film cameras and lenses for what digital photography is today.
Jul 7, 2019 10:42:13 #
Chris T wrote:
Etaoin - IBIS stabilizes camera motion, and theref... (show quote)
IS=OS=VR, they are all the same: image stabilization by optical vibration reduction.
ILIS and IBIS are two types of IS/OS/VR.
(I suppose both methods would be ILaBIS???)
IBIS is more for problems keeping the camera still?
Wouldn't the lens follow the camera in movement???
(Now I wonder if I have a problem keeping the lens or camera still.)
Jul 7, 2019 11:10:48 #
rjaywallace wrote:
Apparently you, the font of wisdom, have never heard of a large electronics company called Panasonic. Panasonic sells cameras that offer IBIS and work together with VR lenses. Suggest you get back in touch with the market.
That's the best you can offer??
Jul 7, 2019 11:13:38 #
olemikey
Loc: 6 mile creek, Spacecoast Florida
It's all image stabilization, and it works. I'm still very steady, but should I become unsteady, it would be a huge blessing. One thing I do when I buy secondhand, is test the IBIS or ILIS by shaking the camera/lens combo while shooting to see the result. It can be quite dramatic! My Sony A-mounts have allowed me to use rediculous sized lenses (non-stabilized lenses) handheld and make great shots, or shoot w/o flash in low light, where a tripod/monopod or some other method would have been absolutely necessary otherwise. The same features make the Superzoom bridge cameras feasible for extreme zoom handheld. Nothing like running or fast walking through a scene and grabbing one handed shots not possible otherwise!!!
The camera and lens are a unit, so whatever type, or both, it is a great modern feature!!!!!!!!
The camera and lens are a unit, so whatever type, or both, it is a great modern feature!!!!!!!!
Jul 7, 2019 11:14:08 #
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
MrBob wrote:
Olympus cameras such as the M1 MKii use IBIS in the body and paired with a lens such as the 12-100 zoom which has ILIS you can get up to a reported 6.5 stops with the combination. BTW, that 12-100 is a killer and could negate carrying around much of anything else for 90 % of your needs.
Actaully, probably closer to 95% or more. The 12-100 with the E-M1mkII or E-M1X is an awesome travel combination.
Jul 7, 2019 11:21:41 #
wdross
Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
Longshadow wrote:
Are the two additional axis combinations of pitch, roll, and/or yaw?
Wouldn't a three axis system accommodate changes in multiple axis?
Wouldn't a three axis system accommodate changes in multiple axis?
Three actions are rotational and two are linear. Focus is the third linear movement.
Jul 7, 2019 11:38:22 #
wdross wrote:
Three actions are rotational and two are linear. Focus is the third linear movement.
What are the other two linear movements and how is focus a linear movement?
Jul 7, 2019 12:02:56 #
Longshadow wrote:
Are the two additional axis combinations of pitch, roll, and/or yaw?
Wouldn't a three axis system accommodate changes in multiple axis?
Wouldn't a three axis system accommodate changes in multiple axis?
The three axes we normally consider (x,y,z) only define the position of a point in space (in the case of a digital camera the one point that defines the center of the sensor). Since a camera sensor is not a point, we need to consider also rotation of the sensor around an axis vertically through the center of the sensor (this axis is parallel to the vertical sides of the sensor) as well as rotation around an axis that runs through the center of the lens. Rotation on either of these additional two axes will not move the center point of the sensor, while other points in the sensor do move.
Jul 7, 2019 12:06:43 #
Longshadow wrote:
Usually a manufacturer uses only one type of VR.
Some have it in the lens, some have it in the body.
I know of no camera that uses both at the same time.
In lens and in body are both types of Vibration Reduction.
Some have it in the lens, some have it in the body.
I know of no camera that uses both at the same time.
In lens and in body are both types of Vibration Reduction.
Most Sony cameras and now other mirrorless manufacturers that have 5x image stabilizer utilize both.
Jul 7, 2019 12:14:59 #
lsimpkins wrote:
The three axes we normally consider (x,y,z) only d... (show quote)
So the additional movements are just roll, pitch, and/or yaw around additional reference points.
Like another movement reference point could be the front element of the lens, most likely improbable, but possible.
Jul 7, 2019 12:37:47 #
Longshadow wrote:
Why? 
I don't need to.
If I have a specific need for information I can always check with the astute people here.
I just learned something that was interesting, that I will probably not use again.
No way I'm going to keep tabs on all manufacturer's models and their differences and capabilities.
I don't need to.
If I have a specific need for information I can always check with the astute people here.
I just learned something that was interesting, that I will probably not use again.
No way I'm going to keep tabs on all manufacturer's models and their differences and capabilities.
Jul 7, 2019 12:39:02 #
Sony cameras have the same IBIS technology that is in Olympus cameras. Body and lens image stabilization are used together. Sony acquired the rights to the Olympus technology after the Sony Corporation bought a major or controling share in Olympus.
Jul 7, 2019 13:12:57 #
SteveG
Loc: Norh Carolina
Sony's full frame, 2nd generation and beyond, line has ibis. Works in conjunction with lenses that have stabilization.
Jul 7, 2019 13:31:12 #
Kaib795
Loc: Maryland, USA
Certainly all this stabilization is great and being able to use old lenses and gain "in body image stabilization" is wonderful. Probably the first to use it were the cameras based more on video than picture taking. They opened this door where now it's becoming a standard mirrorless camera feature. I can see where it would be helpful to all those who shoot in low light and hand hold their camera. Even for those with older non stabilized lenses, having IBIS gives these older lenses a new life. I'm from the film days and simply use a off camera flash and always get the shot but then you loose the feel or mood in the picture unless you up the ISO and drop the flash down to a spark. The issue I have is just how long with a IBIS camera last (shutter counts) and if dropped is it easier to break?
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