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May 29, 2019 17:35:26   #
Bobspez Loc: Southern NJ, USA
 
DanielB wrote:
In my opinion there is absolutely no reason other than astrophotography or other type of scientific photography that 100mp would be needed by the average photographer. Waste of storage, waste of time, waste of money - but if you want bragging rights - go for it.


I think what happens is technology advances then people find a use for it. Thirty years ago most people were shooting instamatic film cameras, paying for development and printing. Some were shooting 8mm home movies and prjecting them for family and friends. Now most people using digital cameras and sharing their pictures and videos online only. Thirty years ago there was no internet, and computers were used for word processing and spreadsheets. Now they are used for many things.

As the price goes down I'm pretty sure 100MP cameras will be used by everyone, the way 16GB memory cards are used today. Thirty years ago a 3/4GB hard drive cost a hundred thousand dollars and weighed 86 lbs. It took two people to slide it into a rack.

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May 29, 2019 18:09:17   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
DanielB wrote:
In my opinion there is absolutely no reason other than astrophotography or other type of scientific photography that 100mp would be needed by the average photographer. Waste of storage, waste of time, waste of money - but if you want bragging rights - go for it.

It would be useful in some birding photography - sometimes it is hard to get a small bird in the viewfinder .... if you have extra pixels, you have a better chance of 'catching' it {that is why a D850 could be more useful than a D500 .... larger 'net'}

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May 29, 2019 18:37:44   #
N4646W
 
10K is not bad compared to the equivalent Hassy and Phase one. It is less than some of the used backs on the market, and that is without the body and adapters required for them. Depending on the actual size of the sensor, the pixel density will probably equate to the D850, Z7, or the big Canons. Not familiar with Canon so do not know the models of their big guns.

Sure would be fun to work with one of the MF digitals, if it would be the same "Wow" factor when I got my first Bronica. Didn't shelve my Nikons, but they never were never used as much for certain types of photography.

Ron

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May 29, 2019 18:47:17   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Big cameras have been used throughout the ages (of photography that is) The larger the film, or sensor in this case, the larger and more detailed the photo can be. Just sayin'. Fujifilm isn't the first medium format DSLR and it won't be the last. If it weren't so darned expensive and if it shot more than just 5fps and if they had more than just 2 lenses available for this camera I would buy one. Sorry, that's a lot of ands in one sentence.


Jeep - just in order to keep the record straight - this is a list of all lenses available for Fuji X and G MILCs:

Fujinon Prime Lenses for X Series APS-C Format MILC Cameras [16]

XF 14mm f2.8 R, XF 16mm f1.4 R WR, XF 16mm f2.8 R WR, XF 18mm f2 R
XF 23mm f1.4 R, XF 23mm f2 R WR, XF 27mm f2.8, XF 35mm f1.4 R
XF 35mm f2 R WR, XF 50mm f2 R WR, XF 56mm f1.2 R, XF 56mm f1.2 R APD
XF 60mm f2.4 R Macro, XF 80mm f2.8 R LM OIS WR Macro, XF 90mm f2 R LM WR
XF 200mm f2 R LM OIS WR

Fujinon Zoom Lenses for X Series APS-C Format Cameras [11]

XF 8-16 mm f2.8 R LM WR, XF 10-24mm f4 R OIS, XF 16-55 f2.8 L LM WR, XF 18-55 f2.8-4 R LM
XF 18-135 mm f3.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XF 50-140 f2.8 R LM OIS WR, XF 55-200 f3.5-4.8 R LM OIS
XF 100-400 mm f4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR, XC 15-45 f3.5-5.6 OIS PZ, XC 16-50 f3.5-5.6 OIS
XC 50-230 f4.5-6.7 OIS

Teleconverters - XF 1.4x TC WR, XF 2x TC WR

Fujinon Prime Lenses for GFX 100S, GFX 50S, GFX 50R Medium Format MILC Cameras [6]

GF 23mm f4 R LM WR, GF 45mm f2.8 R WR, GF 63mm f2.8 R WR, GF 110 f2 R LM WR
GF 120mm f4 LM OIS WR Macro, GF 250mm f4 R LM OIS WR

Fujinon Zoom Lenses for GFX 100S, GFX 50S, GFX 50R Medium Format MILC Cameras [2]

GF 32-64mm f4 R LM WR, GF 100-200mm f5.6 R LM OIS WR

Teleconverter - GFX 1.4 TC WR

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May 29, 2019 18:48:24   #
baer
 
rmalarz wrote:
They're fantastic and fantastically expensive. I'm experimenting with a 200+ MP image system, but it has limitations. However,, a lot less expensive than what's out there now. The other downside is that I've produced an image too large for PS to handle.
--Bob


How did you construct or find a 200MP system??

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May 29, 2019 18:54:56   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
N4646W wrote:
10K is not bad compared to the equivalent Hassy and Phase one. It is less than some of the used backs on the market, and that is without the body and adapters required for them. Depending on the actual size of the sensor, the pixel density will probably equate to the D850, Z7, or the big Canons. Not familiar with Canon so do not know the models of their big guns.

Sure would be fun to work with one of the MF digitals, if it would be the same "Wow" factor when I got my first Bronica. Didn't shelve my Nikons, but they never were never used as much for certain types of photography.

Ron
10K is not bad compared to the equivalent Hassy an... (show quote)


Ron - here are the current Canon "Big Guns" -

Pro Model - 1Dx Mk. II (20MP)
Advanced Enthusiast Model - 5Ds / 5Ds R (50MP)
Semi-Pro Model - 5D Mk. IV (30MP)

Entry-Level FF - 6D Mk. II (26MP)

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May 29, 2019 19:51:32   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
anotherview wrote:
Please cite your source for this assertion: "But for the utmost quality and detail, most pros still rely on the good old film!"

From what this photographer understands of the recent history of photography, digital means surpassed film means about a decade ago. In turn, most all pros have turned to digital means of photography. Technological advance in doing photography has meant improvement in image quality as well as far more control over the captured image. Both my reading of magazines, books, and online presentations tells me so.

Hence, the medium of film has become obsolescent. It now fills a niche in photography not unlike earlier means of this human activity. So we can expect film photography to continue in the hands of individuals who prefer it for their own good reasons.
Please cite your source for this assertion: "... (show quote)


I was a die hard film photographer. That is what I learned in High School back in 1976. (Yes, I am an old coot). My film camera is in pristine condition and once in awhile I will buy two or three rolls and do some landscape or macro photography. Then when I have the rolls processed, I will also request a digital copy of the prints. After the Hurricane Sandy came to NY for a short visit, I bought a digital camera. It was strange at first because I needed to learn some new things. So, in all a camera is a camera. I won't brag and say, my Blah Blah Blah camera with whoseewhatsis megapixels and all these bells and whistles is better than yours. IMHO, every photographer should feel comfortable with the camera they are working with. When you are comfortable, quality photographs follow. I don't feel it is right to buy a camera that is out of my league. If a friend or colleague buys a camera and will allow me to put it through its paces, I can say thank you to him or her. In all, photography evolves to a new plane of existence each time we blink our eyes.
Happy shooting!

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May 29, 2019 21:50:12   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
Scruples wrote:
I was a die hard film photographer. That is what I learned in High School back in 1976. (Yes, I am an old coot). My film camera is in pristine condition and once in awhile I will buy two or three rolls and do some landscape or macro photography. Then when I have the rolls processed, I will also request a digital copy of the prints. After the Hurricane Sandy came to NY for a short visit, I bought a digital camera. It was strange at first because I needed to learn some new things. So, in all a camera is a camera. I won't brag and say, my Blah Blah Blah camera with whoseewhatsis megapixels and all these bells and whistles is better than yours. IMHO, every photographer should feel comfortable with the camera they are working with. When you are comfortable, quality photographs follow. I don't feel it is right to buy a camera that is out of my league. If a friend or colleague buys a camera and will allow me to put it through its paces, I can say thank you to him or her. In all, photography evolves to a new plane of existence each time we blink our eyes.
Happy shooting!
I was a die hard film photographer. That is what I... (show quote)


Ha! You might be a 'Coot' but old hasn't arrived yet

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May 29, 2019 22:26:55   #
awesome14 Loc: UK
 
I've taken some great shots, even some I display, with a 5.1MP point-and-shoot. I have gotten a few real 'keepers' with a smartphone at 13 or more MP. I mostly use the Nikon D810 at about 32MP, with 5 lenses, and I get a few keepers using that.

So, MP ismnot the most important thing. And I never found my in want of more pixels. When I shot film, I routinely made 20x30-inch prints. I can do that with about 24 MP. Who the hell is going to make prints larger than 20x30? Well, Whoever they are, they will need more MPs.

But let's be serious, except in a studio, or for still-life work, you actually need only about 24 MP.

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May 29, 2019 23:02:49   #
xt2 Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
GeorgeL wrote:
Any thoughts on the Fujifilm gfx100 or phase one 100 plus mp Camaras? Why and when is such a high mp needed ?


Wonder why there is so much argument supporting the need for D850s, etc. if 10 megapixels are good enough? Some of these conversations remind me of the plight of current politics... tribalism.

If ya got the $$$ why not?

Cheers!

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May 29, 2019 23:03:43   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Fujinon Prime Lenses for GFX 100S, GFX 50S, GFX 50R Medium Format MILC Cameras [6]

GF 23mm f4 R LM WR, GF 45mm f2.8 R WR, GF 63mm f2.8 R WR, GF 110 f2 R LM WR
GF 120mm f4 LM OIS WR Macro, GF 250mm f4 R LM OIS WR

Fujinon Zoom Lenses for GFX 100S, GFX 50S, GFX 50R Medium Format MILC Cameras [2]

GF 32-64mm f4 R LM WR, GF 100-200mm f5.6 R LM OIS WR

Teleconverter - GFX 1.4 TC WR

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May 30, 2019 00:02:35   #
karno Loc: Chico ,California
 
awesome14 wrote:
I've taken some great shots, even some I display, with a 5.1MP point-and-shoot. I have gotten a few real 'keepers' with a smartphone at 13 or more MP. I mostly use the Nikon D810 at about 32MP, with 5 lenses, and I get a few keepers using that.

So, MP ismnot the most important thing. And I never found my in want of more pixels. When I shot film, I routinely made 20x30-inch prints. I can do that with about 24 MP. Who the hell is going to make prints larger than 20x30? Well, Whoever they are, they will need more MPs.

But let's be serious, except in a studio, or for still-life work, you actually need only about 24 MP.
I've taken some great shots, even some I display, ... (show quote)


When people buy my prints which happens occasionally they want 4x5 foot

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May 30, 2019 00:10:29   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
xt2 wrote:
Some of these conversations remind me of the plight of current politics... tribalism.

If ya got the $$$ why not?
Maybe others, perhaps from a different tribe, need bread more than you 'need' yet another camera?

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May 30, 2019 00:22:38   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Rich1939 wrote:
Ha! You might be a 'Coot' but old hasn't arrived yet


Thanks. But, the kids here seem to be a lot younger than myself.

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May 30, 2019 01:28:52   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Average Prices from Net on May 30th, 2019

Camera Model Type Res Price

Fuji GFX 100S MF MILC 100MP $10,000 b/o
Fuji GFX 50S MF MILC 50MP $5500 b/o
Fuji GFX 50R MF MILC 50MP $4000 b/o

Nikon D5 FF DSLR 20MP $6500 b/o
Nikon D850 FF DSLR 46MP $3000 b/o
Nikon D810 FF DSLR 36MP $1600 b/o
Nikon Df FF DSLR 16MP $2750 b/o
Nikon D750 FF DSLR 24MP $1300 b/o

Canon EOS 1Dx Mk. II FF DSLR 20MP $5500 b/o
Canon EOS 5DS R FF DSLR 50MP $3700 b/o
Canon EOS 5DS FF DSLR 50MP $3500 b/o
Canon EOS 5D Mk. IV FF DSLR 30MP $2800 b/o
Canon EOS 6D Mk. II FF DSLR 26MP $1300 b/o

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