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Dec 24, 2012 11:59:47   #
jolly1
 
Skellum0 wrote:
jolly1 wrote:
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yhtomit wrote:
Skellum0 wrote:
Another statistic gun fanatics love to quote is this one about cars killing more people than guns which leads them to the remarkable conclusion that cars are more dangerous than guns.

They forget to factor in time spent using cars compared to time spent using guns. So while I agree cars are dangerous they are a factor of several hundred less dangerous than cars and have a genuine everyday use.


Wearing your gun is a genuine everyday use,isn't it?I wear mine when I go outside.Heck I leave it on when I'm inside too for that matter.Have you ever shot a gun?
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Shooting it is using it, Wearing it is fashion. As stated earlier I spent 10 years in the military and grew up on a ranch. I never carry a weapon and no longer own one. My experience is that firearms make situations more random and usually worse so I prefer to take my chances.

I have a real issue with any civilian ( untrained in combat) using firearms as they are as dangerous to themselves and friends as to any potential attacker.
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And, I suppose, you can field strip a 45 cal. pistol, a Browning Automatic Rifle, a 30 cal. air cooled machine gun, a 50 cal. air cooled machine gun, and a 20mm gun. Oh, and rebuild any one of them, in the dark, in a minute or less.
There are civilians out there who, with thirty minutes or less, of instruction, could do it. There are civilians out there, with no "combat training or experience," who are instructing our Army Reserve and National Guard units, all across the country, on how to care for their weapons, how to shoot their weapons, and how to handle their weapons in all possible situations so that the good guys don't get hurt.
Can you, with your short ten years of military experience, do any of the above. And by the way, have you ever bore sighted a weapon of any caliber?
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Why is what I personally can, or cannot do relevant?. My point is that people who are not trained or experienced in combat generally fall apart in a real life situation. If you don't believe me ask any veteran. Of course there are exceptions, why state the obvious? They are in the vast minority. My other point was that a perpetrator is more likely to be accustomed to violence which means he ( or she) has a huge advantage over the average civilian.

People who boast about their prowess are normally covering some inadequacy.
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It's becoming quite clear that your military service consisted of the duties of a Paymaster or Supply Sgt. You have certainly never experienced actual combat. Soldiers well trained in the art of combat have beend known to fall apart in actual combat.
Yes, I'm a veteran of combat in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and I have seen otherwise good soldiers lose it under shelling or machine gun fire.

As a Law Enforcement Officer I have also met with civilians, young boys, men, young ladies, older women, who have looked terror in the face and done exactly what they should have done in the particular situation they found themselves in.
Perhaps you, yourself, has "fallen apart" in "a real life situation"
and feel as though that is the norm for those with "no combat training or experience" but I assure you that the vast majority of American citizens can handle themselves quite well in any situation.

By the way, besides being a veteran myself, I have called a few of my VFW buddies and communicated your beliefs to them for comments. The total response was that your statements were absolutely ludicrous. (Oh, I'm sorry, that big word means absurd, laughable or ridiculous)

Incidentally, Merry Christmas.

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Dec 24, 2012 13:03:08   #
Zenith701 Loc: Southern California
 
And how much older is the Magna Carta than the Constitution? You don't change something that works for something that doesn't

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Dec 24, 2012 13:37:00   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
smd25 wrote:
You have just answered all my my previous queries.......got a gun, then use it.....I'm sorry for the humanity that you are....I'm not a bloody minded liberal but I do believe in the sanctity of life....
God Bless the Gun Laws in the UK.
Like I said before....go back to Photography......Calm Down.....


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Dec 24, 2012 14:40:44   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
SMD..you keep saying "go back to photography"..Why do you keep posting on this board & stirring up shit???? there are rarely negative responses on the "photo blogs"..seems that you just like the controversy & you are not going to change yankee minds with British BS.....

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Dec 24, 2012 19:20:48   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
smd25 wrote:
Being a Brit, I have never understood the American's fascination with Guns....I understand it is written into your Constitution, and all power to the men who conceived the ideals. However, that was in 1767, I believe.
Is it not now appropriate to concede that at the time, this was well meant but as society has changed so should not the interpretation also change.

I have advocated in the past that I never discuss Politics, Religion or Babies......Apologies for a minor rant.........


Being a Yank I never understood the British fascination with soccer, crickett, and an obsolete form of government namely the monarchy! Since you are gung ho to tell us what to do, let me return the favor. Return Northern Ireland back to whom you stole it from, the Irish. Give Gibralter back to whom you stole it from, the Spainish. Give the Falkland islands back to whom you stole it from, Argentina.

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Dec 24, 2012 21:39:12   #
KW Conch Loc: USA
 
Considering what happened in Webster, NY today, I guess we have to start arming our firemen too.

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Dec 26, 2012 15:04:21   #
sinatraman Loc: Vero Beach Florida, Earth,alpha quaudrant
 
better idea is those who commit murder either get the death penalty or are imprisoned for life with no chance of parole. Had the shooter in NY still been in prison for killing his grandmother, 2 firemen would be alive today.

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Dec 26, 2012 15:24:50   #
SHUTERED Loc: SO. CAL.
 
sinatraman wrote:
better idea is those who commit murder either get the death penalty or are imprisoned for life with no chance of parole. Had the shooter in NY still been in prison for killing his grandmother, 2 firemen would be alive today.


I whole heartedly agree. Who the hell was the lame brain that set him free? Some unqualified judge I bet.

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