Presidential Immunity? (Page 2): Immunity from prosecution related to official acts, but Trump has no control over elections. What he did is not an official act, nor is it an act that...

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Blurryeyed wrote:

He knew who he was pulling the trigger on and their status as US citizens, blame is not the point, the question that Trump raises in front of the SCOTUS is presidential immunity, which would protect Obama from murder charges stemming from the assassination of US citizens without first allowing them due process through our court system.

Immunity from prosecution related to official acts, but Trump has no control over elections. What he did is not an official act, nor is it an act that can be dismissed or overlooked! He attempted to change the outcome of a US Presidential election. He knew he lost and tried to circumvent the results via criminal means. That is not something that any President should be allowed to get away with and it should not be a question that needs to be heard by the US Supreme Court!

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

McKinneyMike wrote:

Immunity from prosecution related to official acts, but Trump has no control over elections. What he did is not an official act, nor is it an act that can be dismissed or overlooked! He attempted to change the outcome of a US Presidential election. He knew he lost and tried to circumvent the results via criminal means. That is not something that any President should be allowed to get away with and it should not be a question that needs to be heard by the US Supreme Court!

Given the insanity of the 2020 election with some states taking several weeks to count their votes how is it that you know what was in Trump's mind? I have news for you, many republicans never have trusted democrat operatives durning elections, your political operatives are dirty, always have been and always will be. That my friend is why we have Merrit Garland in 2024 going after states that require voter ID, it is such BS that democrats suggest that ID's are a hardship, the fact is that you can't buy cigarettes, open a bank account, buy beer, or fly in this country without ID unless you are an illegal being transported by the Biden administration.

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Blurryeyed wrote:

Given the insanity of the 2020 election with some ... (show quote)

Why did they have their elaborate schemes with fake electors in multiple states to change the election results? They tried to get courts to change the results, but had nothing that could be proved, so they resorted to criminal actions. Case closed for normal people. No one is above the law!

Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!

McKinneyMike wrote:

Immunity from prosecution related to official acts, but Trump has no control over elections. What he did is not an official act, nor is it an act that can be dismissed or overlooked! He attempted to change the outcome of a US Presidential election. He knew he lost and tried to circumvent the results via criminal means. That is not something that any President should be allowed to get away with and it should not be a question that needs to be heard by the US Supreme Court!

Wrong again, evidence points to the fact that Trump really believed he won and he believed there was wide spread fraud. Trumps motive was not to circumvent the results of the election it to preserve what he believed was his victory.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

McKinneyMike wrote:

Why did they have their elaborate schemes with fake electors in multiple states to change the election results? They tried to get courts to change the results, but had nothing that could be proved, so they resorted to criminal actions. Case closed for normal people. No one is above the law!

I am not going to defend Trump, I just suggested that if he truly thought that the election was stolen, something that neither side can prove as a false or positive, then that puts an entirely different context on his actions than what you suggest. You nor I know what his true thinking was surrounding that election. I will say that his actions on 1/6 remain a stain on his legacy.

No one is above the law you say? So then I ask where did president Obama find the constitutional power to kill an American citizen without first due process? The point of this thread is to get you folks to think beyond Trump and to consider what the case coming before the SCOTUS is about in the broader context of the issue to be considered.

Triple G

Blurryeyed wrote:

Given the insanity of the 2020 election with some ... (show quote)

You are full of something other than goodness and light. Which states have been lacking ID laws:

"Eight states have enacted voter ID laws since the 2020 election, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures: Arkansas, Idaho, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ohio and Wyoming. The rash of new laws affects 29 million adults. One in 6 voters live in anticipated 2024 battleground states — Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin — with new ID requirements."

It's a state issue. It's not the what; but the why and how that put voting ID laws crosswise with Voting laws and Constitution.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/voter-identification-states-law-map-rcna137555

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Blurryeyed wrote:

I am not going to defend Trump, I just suggested t... (show quote)

Obama's action on this matter were within the scope of his presidential purview. This is not a criminal act, as it was executed based upon US military intelligence. It is sad that US citizens were collateral damage, but I defer to any President that has to make a decision like that.

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Racmanaz wrote:

Wrong again, evidence points to the fact that Trump really believed he won and he believed there was wide spread fraud. Trumps motive was not to circumvent the results of the election it to preserve what he believed was his victory.

What evidence? He tried to take his evidence to US courts and was resoundingly sent packing. He and his cronies attempted to pull the "Green Bay Sweep", in their efforts to overturn a righteous election to maintain power. This is and was a criminal act period!
Mike Pence knew it was wrong and thankfully had the backbone no other Republicans on the Hill seem to have these days!

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

Blurryeyed wrote:

Clearly the Democrats and their media are staunchl... (show quote)

SCOTUS just gifted the defendant with an at least a 19 week delay! Say thank you Ginni. "Thank you Ginni!"

When we're killing our enemies with awesome ordnance and you're a Yank, with our enemies ... that's an inherently risky position to be in. I give Hussein Obama a pardon on this one. Or do you want to try and 'get him' for something on the Osama bin Laden killing as well?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

McKinneyMike wrote:

Obama's action on this matter were within the scope of his presidential purview. This is not a criminal act, as it was executed based upon US military intelligence. It is sad that US citizens were collateral damage, but I defer to any President that has to make a decision like that.

Since when does a president have extrajudicial powers to kill American citizens? Just because Holder said so?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Texcaster wrote:

SCOTUS just gifted the defendant with an at least a 19 week delay! Say thank you Ginni. "Thank you Ginni!"

When we're killing our enemies with awesome ordnance and you're a Yank, with our enemies ... that's an inherently risky position to be in. I give Hussein Obama a pardon on this one. Or do you want to try and 'get him' for something on the Osama bin Laden killing as well?

So Biden should not be able to weigh in on anything having to do with the Department of Education, got it.

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Blurryeyed wrote:

Since when does a president have extrajudicial powers to kill American citizens? Just because Holder said so?

It was a military strike. President's have authorized many such actions that have resulted in civilian deaths. Yes it's sad, but it is not criminal!
It was not an attempt to subvert a Presidential election using criminal actions. That is an act that has zero to do with Presidential powers.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

McKinneyMike wrote:

It was a military strike. President's have authorized many such actions that have resulted in civilian deaths. Yes it's sad, but it is not criminal!
It was not an attempt to subvert a Presidential election using criminal actions. That is an act that has zero to do with Presidential powers.

He specifically targeted an American citizen. Hey, as far as I am concerned it was a righteous kill, but was it actually legal? You are avoiding the question of presidential immunity by defending Obama and wanting to see Trump behind bars.

McKinneyMike Loc: Texas

Blurryeyed wrote:

He specifically targeted an American citizen. Hey, as far as I am concerned it was a righteous kill, but was it actually legal? You are avoiding the question of presidential immunity by defending Obama and wanting to see Trump behind bars.

It was a military suggested strike, not something Obama dreamed up in his sleep. Trying to equate what Trump did vs. this action taken by Obama is really reaching way out there.

Triple G

McKinneyMike wrote:

It was a military suggested strike, not something Obama dreamed up in his sleep. Trying to equate what Trump did vs. this action taken by Obama is really reaching way out there.

The old whataboutism that doesn't even apply. MAGA sure likes false equivalencies in their reasoning and arguments.