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Jan 23, 2024 16:13:42   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
I agree with you but my son is 34 and if he see a manual he says " That's a manual throw that away".

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Jan 23, 2024 16:22:02   #
Basil_O Loc: Minneapolis, MN
 
Sadly, many people won't stay focused long enough to read your post, much less read a manual.

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Jan 23, 2024 16:50:16   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Today it's possible to read the manuals before you buy something so that's what I do. I prefer to buy local but even so I learned how to use the equipment before going to the store to check it out. So I know exactly what to do when I try the demo. Of course you can order online and when it gets to you, you have a couple of weeks to find out. If you don't like it just return and you add 1 more item to the refurbished stock for us to buy and save.




I do that, too. I've done similar things, pre-internet. I had to convince my boss to spend $12,000 on AV gear in 1981. That's like about $38,000 in 2024. So I wrote the companies who made the key pieces of the system and got them to loan me the manuals. I changed my mind about which system we should buy, and ordered just what we needed. It was MORE expensive, but it did EXACTLY what we wanted it to do, and more. The more popular system would have been a huge mistake.

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Jan 23, 2024 16:58:32   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
I always saved the manuals (the English version, anyway) when I bought a new camera. Being a 'real man' I never read them until I had a problem. One problem with that approach is that the manual got stuck in a drawer with extra cards, lenses, filters, dessicants, etc. and I was out and about.

I finally found Manual Viewer 2, which goes on my iPhone. I just download the manuals I want and they're in my pocket all the time. I would expect there's an Android version. I found it about 3 years ago, so before that I was just out of luck.

The only problem with manuals is finding the description of the feature you're looking for. You have to know what they call it. The online manual is a bit better that way because you can enter keywords and the virtual manual will give you a list of where they are and you can just click to go there. No shuffling through 800 pages. If you don't have exactly the right name for what you want, you might have to do it several times, but it's still much easier than the paper manual.

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Jan 23, 2024 17:00:31   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Basil_O wrote:
Sadly, many people won't stay focused long enough to read your post, much less read a manual.


Yep. I hired and fired a few like that... Sounds cold, right? Really, it isn't. If a role requires reading and critical thinking, putting an illiterate or someone with no attention span in it does no one any favors.

The favorite thing I heard in an interview of a prospective employee: "Don't hire me to be a placeholder. Hire me because I want to do something that is really meaningful. Then help me do it." So I did... And yes, it worked out for us.

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Jan 23, 2024 17:00:50   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
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The only problem with manuals is finding the description of the feature you're looking for. You have to know what they call it. The online manual is a bit better that way because you can enter keywords and the virtual manual will give you a list of where they are and you can just click to go there. No shuffling through 800 pages. If you don't have exactly the right name for what you want, you might have to do it several times, but it's still much easier than the paper manual.

Yup, and what we might call it isn't necessarily what the manufacturer calls it.
I love searchable PDF manuals!

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Jan 23, 2024 17:02:26   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I always saved the manuals (the English version, anyway) when I bought a new camera. Being a 'real man' I never read them until I had a problem. One problem with that approach is that the manual got stuck in a drawer with extra cards, lenses, filters, dessicants, etc. and I was out and about.

I finally found Manual Viewer 2, which goes on my iPhone. I just download the manuals I want and they're in my pocket all the time. I would expect there's an Android version. I found it about 3 years ago, so before that I was just out of luck.

The only problem with manuals is finding the description of the feature you're looking for. You have to know what they call it. The online manual is a bit better that way because you can enter keywords and the virtual manual will give you a list of where they are and you can just click to go there. No shuffling through 800 pages. If you don't have exactly the right name for what you want, you might have to do it several times, but it's still much easier than the paper manual.
I always saved the manuals (the English version, a... (show quote)


I keep my PDF manuals in Apple Books, which is a great PDF reader on Mac and iPhone because the contents are in iCloud.

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Jan 23, 2024 17:23:19   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
burkphoto wrote:
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, apparently, a controversial concept. Over the ten years or so I've been on UHH, and the 50 years of my "aware" life before that, I've noticed that a large number of people seem to gloss over the fact that technology is complex. They buy things that they think they want, but they don't do their research in advance, to be sure that THEY and their new devices, are compatible with what they want to do. They yank them out of the box, plug them in, turn them on, and get disappointed.

"Ready? FIRE!! (Uh, Aim, maybe? You just took out the neighbor's flower pot…)"

We're living in an age where our technical tools are not like hammers and screwdrivers, which are easily mastered by third graders. When you buy a hammer or screwdriver, it doesn't come with a manual, because it doesn't need one. It has a fairly singular purpose and a well-known and understood method of use. But technical gear — cameras, audio, video, computers, and cars — is different. These and many other tools and toys require serious consideration before buying, and serious study before use… IF we are going to get our money's worth from them.

Those of us who write user guides and technical manuals for products and software are usually the first to test the usability and viability of the product. If even the smallest detail doesn't work for us, we explain the issues we find to the product development team AND their directors. Making operation EASY for the customer IS HARD WORK for developers, engineers, and product design staff. It's just as difficult for trainers and training content developers.

One of the unfortunate assumptions companies make about their products is that customers WILL READ the documentation that explains proper use and care. Yet surveys have shown that up to 78% of customers never read it. Many users don't want anything to do with an 830+ page camera manual, or even any sort of a 20 page "Quick Start" guide.

I get all of that, but I also know from hiring many people in a photo lab — and from training school portrait photographers, office staff, and sales people — that understanding and mastering technology requires some quality time, focus, and a certain level of detail orientation. Patience with the documentation and with the entire learning process is usually rewarded with great results and long, trouble-free product life.

There is an old acronym that floated around the Internet BEFORE 1993, when the World Wide Web was born: 'R.T.F.M.' When users got stuck, and posted questions on a bulletin board forum for the tech support staff, the POLITE response was often, "Well, did you read the manual?" Soon enough, that got shortened to the acronym.

"Read The *Fine* Manual!" is the polite version of the acronym. After the tenth or eleventh call from the same user, with the same question, the tech support person would hang up the phone after a call, and yell into a paper bag, substituting whatever 'F' word suited his/her mood.

So here's my simple request to the universe of tech purchasers. Please read the documentation that comes with your purchase, or that you can download from the manufacturer's website at no additional cost. You will learn things you can do with your device that you never thought possible. You will avoid pitfalls that cause 80% of the issues people have with their devices. You will get more done, in less time, with better outcomes! You will trust the maker of the product more, because you understand what they do and don't expect you to do with their devices.

ESPECIALLY if you have used another brand of product in the same class, you need to read the manual just to UNLEARN how your old device of another brand worked. Don't expect brand L to work like brand N. Don't expect brand F to work like brand T. Terminology may be different, control placement may be different, and the way some of the functions work almost certainly will be different.

Don't try to make a Ford drive like a Toyota. It will just annoy you. Don't try to make a Windows PC work like a Mac. It will just frustrate you. They are different brands with different design philosophies and result from different ways of thinking about the same tasks. Take them for what they ARE, not for what they are not.

A little reading won't kill you. Operation may not be obvious, even when you think it should be. There's a reason for everything, and you need to know what it is, if you are going to get along with your new device. Read the freaking manual, and get your money's worth.
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, ... (show quote)


I never read the manual. Only search for special needs, or something I can not get on my own.

I just play with the camera/whatever, to learn it. Go through v the menus etc. I will read only what I need and can not figure out. I do this with just about everything, cars, TV, etc.i d/l the manual for easy searching.

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Jan 23, 2024 17:45:52   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
frankraney wrote:
I never read the manual. Only search for special needs, or something I can not get on my own.

I just play with the camera/whatever, to learn it. Go through v the menus etc. I will read only what I need and can not figure out. I do this with just about everything, cars, TV, etc.i d/l the manual for easy searching.


If you're experienced with a particular sort of technology, that's usually okay. But if you are completely new to a given technology, that might be more than a bit dangerous. In fact, I've seen it lead to disastrous results.

More often than not, I can figure out the main features of audio, video, and camera gear, or Apple gear. But if it has anything I don't recognize, I will consult the full manual for the answer. When I bought my first Prius, I read the bulk of the manual, because it was so different from my previous cars. I'll never forget the time my boss called me from Indianapolis. He had flown from Charlotte, rented a Prius, and was sitting in it, trying to figure out how to start the engine. "Kevin, just put the shifter in 'D', release the emergency brake, put your foot on the accelerator, and go."

He was, of course, confused, because the engine only starts when needed to keep the car warm, charge the battery, or provide acceleration that the electric motor cannot provide. It was unnerving to him. Had he known it is PERFECTLY NORMAL not to hear the engine when you press the START button, or to hear it come on randomly, if you are at a stop light, he would have thought nothing of it. Fortunately, if you leave the car in gear and open the door, it will scream at you with warning lights and a beeper. If you leave the car on and exit the driver's door, it will beep mercilessly until you turn it off. If you leave the key in it and try to lock the door, it will scream at you again, until you realize your keys are in the cupholder... or your spouse left keys in a coat pocket...

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Jan 23, 2024 18:35:44   #
BebuLamar
 
Because I read the manual before buying a camera and after reading the manual of the Sony A6000 I decided not to buy it because the manual.

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Jan 23, 2024 18:37:10   #
grand whazoo
 
I get your drift Sir! However, the manuals/instructions that typically come with our new “things” are so in depth and detailed as to be beyond easy understanding. And even tho I don’t like to get bogged down in YouTube, it usually shows the specifics of what I’m look for, I’m a “have to see it” kind of guy. Thanks for your post!!

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Jan 23, 2024 18:52:30   #
Besperus Loc: Oregon
 
I shoot film in manual exposure and focus camera. Huh? Yup, I’m an antique. Oh, I have two pro level digital cameras, a pile of p&s cameras too (unused mostly). An iPhone for work doing security to document issues.
I sort of agree with the idea. We are sold a bill of goods because the guy (or gal) next door will have a better this or that. I don’t care what they have. A Sony 7 mk V may be able to dance longer and faster but it doesn’t know what is in my head (so far).

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Jan 23, 2024 19:10:00   #
gwilliams6
 
burkphoto wrote:
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, apparently, a controversial concept. Over the ten years or so I've been on UHH, and the 50 years of my "aware" life before that, I've noticed that a large number of people seem to gloss over the fact that technology is complex. They buy things that they think they want, but they don't do their research in advance, to be sure that THEY and their new devices, are compatible with what they want to do. They yank them out of the box, plug them in, turn them on, and get disappointed.

"Ready? FIRE!! (Uh, Aim, maybe? You just took out the neighbor's flower pot…)"

We're living in an age where our technical tools are not like hammers and screwdrivers, which are easily mastered by third graders. When you buy a hammer or screwdriver, it doesn't come with a manual, because it doesn't need one. It has a fairly singular purpose and a well-known and understood method of use. But technical gear — cameras, audio, video, computers, and cars — is different. These and many other tools and toys require serious consideration before buying, and serious study before use… IF we are going to get our money's worth from them.

Those of us who write user guides and technical manuals for products and software are usually the first to test the usability and viability of the product. If even the smallest detail doesn't work for us, we explain the issues we find to the product development team AND their directors. Making operation EASY for the customer IS HARD WORK for developers, engineers, and product design staff. It's just as difficult for trainers and training content developers.

One of the unfortunate assumptions companies make about their products is that customers WILL READ the documentation that explains proper use and care. Yet surveys have shown that up to 78% of customers never read it. Many users don't want anything to do with an 830+ page camera manual, or even any sort of a 20 page "Quick Start" guide.

I get all of that, but I also know from hiring many people in a photo lab — and from training school portrait photographers, office staff, and sales people — that understanding and mastering technology requires some quality time, focus, and a certain level of detail orientation. Patience with the documentation and with the entire learning process is usually rewarded with great results and long, trouble-free product life.

There is an old acronym that floated around the Internet BEFORE 1993, when the World Wide Web was born: 'R.T.F.M.' When users got stuck, and posted questions on a bulletin board forum for the tech support staff, the POLITE response was often, "Well, did you read the manual?" Soon enough, that got shortened to the acronym.

"Read The *Fine* Manual!" is the polite version of the acronym. After the tenth or eleventh call from the same user, with the same question, the tech support person would hang up the phone after a call, and yell into a paper bag, substituting whatever 'F' word suited his/her mood.

So here's my simple request to the universe of tech purchasers. Please read the documentation that comes with your purchase, or that you can download from the manufacturer's website at no additional cost. You will learn things you can do with your device that you never thought possible. You will avoid pitfalls that cause 80% of the issues people have with their devices. You will get more done, in less time, with better outcomes! You will trust the maker of the product more, because you understand what they do and don't expect you to do with their devices.

ESPECIALLY if you have used another brand of product in the same class, you need to read the manual just to UNLEARN how your old device of another brand worked. Don't expect brand L to work like brand N. Don't expect brand F to work like brand T. Terminology may be different, control placement may be different, and the way some of the functions work almost certainly will be different.

Don't try to make a Ford drive like a Toyota. It will just annoy you. Don't try to make a Windows PC work like a Mac. It will just frustrate you. They are different brands with different design philosophies and result from different ways of thinking about the same tasks. Take them for what they ARE, not for what they are not.

A little reading won't kill you. Operation may not be obvious, even when you think it should be. There's a reason for everything, and you need to know what it is, if you are going to get along with your new device. Read the freaking manual, and get your money's worth.
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, ... (show quote)


Amen,

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Jan 23, 2024 19:48:05   #
jcboy3
 
burkphoto wrote:
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, apparently, a controversial concept. Over the ten years or so I've been on UHH, and the 50 years of my "aware" life before that, I've noticed that a large number of people seem to gloss over the fact that technology is complex. They buy things that they think they want, but they don't do their research in advance, to be sure that THEY and their new devices, are compatible with what they want to do. They yank them out of the box, plug them in, turn them on, and get disappointed.

"Ready? FIRE!! (Uh, Aim, maybe? You just took out the neighbor's flower pot…)"

We're living in an age where our technical tools are not like hammers and screwdrivers, which are easily mastered by third graders. When you buy a hammer or screwdriver, it doesn't come with a manual, because it doesn't need one. It has a fairly singular purpose and a well-known and understood method of use. But technical gear — cameras, audio, video, computers, and cars — is different. These and many other tools and toys require serious consideration before buying, and serious study before use… IF we are going to get our money's worth from them.

Those of us who write user guides and technical manuals for products and software are usually the first to test the usability and viability of the product. If even the smallest detail doesn't work for us, we explain the issues we find to the product development team AND their directors. Making operation EASY for the customer IS HARD WORK for developers, engineers, and product design staff. It's just as difficult for trainers and training content developers.

One of the unfortunate assumptions companies make about their products is that customers WILL READ the documentation that explains proper use and care. Yet surveys have shown that up to 78% of customers never read it. Many users don't want anything to do with an 830+ page camera manual, or even any sort of a 20 page "Quick Start" guide.

I get all of that, but I also know from hiring many people in a photo lab — and from training school portrait photographers, office staff, and sales people — that understanding and mastering technology requires some quality time, focus, and a certain level of detail orientation. Patience with the documentation and with the entire learning process is usually rewarded with great results and long, trouble-free product life.

There is an old acronym that floated around the Internet BEFORE 1993, when the World Wide Web was born: 'R.T.F.M.' When users got stuck, and posted questions on a bulletin board forum for the tech support staff, the POLITE response was often, "Well, did you read the manual?" Soon enough, that got shortened to the acronym.

"Read The *Fine* Manual!" is the polite version of the acronym. After the tenth or eleventh call from the same user, with the same question, the tech support person would hang up the phone after a call, and yell into a paper bag, substituting whatever 'F' word suited his/her mood.

So here's my simple request to the universe of tech purchasers. Please read the documentation that comes with your purchase, or that you can download from the manufacturer's website at no additional cost. You will learn things you can do with your device that you never thought possible. You will avoid pitfalls that cause 80% of the issues people have with their devices. You will get more done, in less time, with better outcomes! You will trust the maker of the product more, because you understand what they do and don't expect you to do with their devices.

ESPECIALLY if you have used another brand of product in the same class, you need to read the manual just to UNLEARN how your old device of another brand worked. Don't expect brand L to work like brand N. Don't expect brand F to work like brand T. Terminology may be different, control placement may be different, and the way some of the functions work almost certainly will be different.

Don't try to make a Ford drive like a Toyota. It will just annoy you. Don't try to make a Windows PC work like a Mac. It will just frustrate you. They are different brands with different design philosophies and result from different ways of thinking about the same tasks. Take them for what they ARE, not for what they are not.

A little reading won't kill you. Operation may not be obvious, even when you think it should be. There's a reason for everything, and you need to know what it is, if you are going to get along with your new device. Read the freaking manual, and get your money's worth.
Taking responsibility for what we buy and use is, ... (show quote)


User manuals are without exception very poorly written.

I am convinced that cameras are NOT designed with use cases considered.

The time to evaluate usability is well before the testing phase. By then, design decisions are baked into the software/ firmware. I have done projects where the user manual was written as an initial design requirement. And reviewed by users before any user interface software was written.

Cameras are developed by the Japanese, who are notoriously bad at software. And translation to other languages is poor.

I am a user of many different cameras and they each have some good and bad design features, and i think this shows a uniformly poor understanding of efficient operation principles by all of the camera companies.

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Jan 23, 2024 20:19:35   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
In days of old when knights were bold...photoghay was practiced by few. When a late image formed on some coated plate, it had to be "developed" in a dark place with toxic metals and gasses, pungent, often deadly chemicals- not fothe average civilian! Perhaps it was thought of as some sort of witchcraft carried on by my mad scientist or wizard in cave-like places.

Then came old George Eastman (well after Deguerre and Nepeace) who sold folks simple box cameras with film and said these immortal words "push the button and leave the rest to us" or something like that- or was that Grayhoud, the bus folks who said 'leave the driving to us"? Well, y'all know waht I mean.

The "brownie" was very basic but as more folks became photo enthusiasts and pros, more complicated and adjustable cameras were designed proliferated, and sold tothe masses. Some folks wanted to do their own "driving" so they constructed darkrooms and processed and printed their own images. This went on for a very long time in both the consumer and professional worlds- things evolved

Serious photoghaer had to master various skills as to exposure, focus, depth of fielild or lack thereof, and all that good stuff. Exposure meters were popular. Then, meters were built into cameras. And the various basics- exposure, focus, etc. became automated. Nontheless, if your camera had an adjustable shutter, aperture, and a mechanism for focusing, and you knew about the basic triangle that governs their usage and how they interface for various effects- you were good to go. A little manual, a little auto, and a few cool gadgets- take your pick and do your thing.

Are we moving "forward" to digital photography or in a way moving backward? The Great Yellow Spirit of Rocherst is no longer with us - Kodak ain't what used to be but, has Gorige's ghost come to haunt us. Nowadays it's "press the button and leave the PHOTOGRAPHY to ME says your camera and if you want anything to say about it, you better read MY 300-page manual and figure out how to override my decisions"!

Alright, excuse the hyperbole! But I have reasons. In my days as a wedding and press photographer, we took every precaution to prevent accidental mis-settings. As soon as the press cameras came with front-end leaf shutters we all removed the rear end focal plane shutters to avoid possible activation. We screwed down the M-X Synch switch to X and any other switch, adjustment, or lever that could cause serious problems. We didn't want to miss vital shots because of all these possible glitches. KISS was the acronym.

Then came the day when I realized that my studio would need to go digital. I tested a few NEW and popular models and was horrified. One camera REFUSED to shoot if IT thought the exposure was off. The data in the viewfinder looks more like the flight deck of a jet aircraft. There were little batons all over the thing that could set the entire system off in another direction. The menu- forgetabout! Yes- I know, I can shut most of that stuff
off but I PAID for all of it. And...if I'd accidently pulled the wrong switch the robotic monster would come back from the dead.An accident waiting to happen! The first thing I did was go out and buy a digital conversion foty studio camer for ase I- $$$ just to keep things simple.

Years have passed and today I am well-steeped in too much technology. I am still a bit reactionary when it comes to gear. The new Nikon digital model looks like an F-series body but is a modern mirrorless camera, that appeals to me- I like dials.

I do read manuals- thoroughly. I will try to secure a manual even before I make a major camera purchase. Some seem to be written a secret code and a few are poorly translated from the language spoken in the place they were made. You have got to do the homework or you can always neglect the manual and then post on UHH and ask waht you did wrong and start a 12-page argument!

8:15 PM 2024/23/01 Rant (2) Over!

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