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Dec 10, 2023 12:47:19   #
one_eyed_pete Loc: Colonie NY
 
In my early teens I was inspired to learn photo developing in a darkroom by the owner of a local small town camera shop. He gave me a tour of his store's darkroom. I noticed his hands were orangish brown. I asked and he said he never wore gloves or used tongs when handling prints in developing chemicals. I made it a point to always use tongs until after the wash.

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Dec 10, 2023 13:13:25   #
neillaubenthal
 
bsprague wrote:
In October Lightroom (the cloudy one) got a "Local" tab. I ignored it. Now, for two days, I've been watching and learning about it.

The "Local" tab makes everything useful in Classic's Develop module available without dealing with a importing or a catalog. The local tab navigates to any file in any folder and allows you to work on it, quickly and simply.

Have you tried it?


Tried it…but with no catalog and no plugins and other missing features it’s not ready for full time use for me. I think eventually the feature set will catch up and the missing needs will be added…in which case we might see the end of Classic…but it’s still a ways off I think.

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Dec 10, 2023 13:34:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Tomfl101 wrote:
For occasional edits of a few images, yes PS is fine working from bridge. But when I have hundreds of files to edit I like LR and use it all the time for most of my work using RAW files. When I shoot sports I am most often shooting jpeg and would like a faster workflow that eliminated the import/export feature, while doubling file space with two copies of every image. There must be others that feel the same way. Maybe the folks at Adobe will incorporate that into LR or Bridge someday.


You can examine your strategy.

Does your camera have two card slots? If so, send raw to one and JPEG to the other. Then you can import only JPEGs and save the raws as backup, or for later processing.

Import and export on new M-series Macs is extremely rapid, especially when working with a fast card reader and a fast internal SSD.

My SDXC reader runs at around 300 MB/sec. My external SSDs (Samsung T7) run at 700 to 900 MB/sec. The internal SSD runs around 3000 MB/sec. I copy to the internal, back up to an external SSD and later copy the backup to a conventional 7200 RPM drive (about 100 MB/sec).

I "import in place" from the internal drive. My project catalogs always stay with their images when I move both catalog and images to an external drive, so I don't lose the links.

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Dec 10, 2023 13:46:05   #
neillaubenthal
 
Hip Coyote wrote:

Edit: I just watched a part of his video, and he says he does not teach "organization." Fair enough. IMO, that is a huge gap in instruction. Before starring any LR, LRC, or LR mobile, understanding organization is vital. How many times have we seen people on this forum who are totally mixed up on organization, have no organization, do not understand file structure, how to query meta data, etc. Get that out of the way and a whole lot of learning about photo editing can take place. I think he's making a mistake on this.

Anyhoo...nuff said on this topic. Best to all.
br Edit: I just watched a part of his video, and... (show quote)


To be honest…a file browser makes more sense to most people out of the box because they’re used to working with files that want. The catalog idea in classic but it not really being your images is somewhat of a confusing way to do things for a lot of people…and while we all understand it now getting rid of the lost image icons is an improvement. But the lack of features is what keeps me (I think, still mulling it over at this point) from trying this although the open in PS and then invoke plugins from there is a decent workaround. But the cloud and local tabs need to be better integrated…an edited image in local needs to be synced to and appear in the cloud tab rather than making a copy with current edits baked in…and then if that synced image is edited on another device the edits need to get sympnced back to the local tab…they’re all just xmp files so that doesn’t seem to hard. Rename features need to be incorporated into LR as well…as do the other missing features, Previews, and all that it’s currently missing.

My personal guess is that the feature set will coalesce so feature wise they’re the same and then the 2 apps will get combined into 1 app with local and cloud options…unless getting the Maps and slideshows and printing options from LrC into LR is problematic.

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Dec 10, 2023 13:58:39   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
To be honest…a file browser makes more sense to most people out of the box because they’re used to working with files that want. The catalog idea in classic but it not really being your images is somewhat of a confusing way to do things for a lot of people…and while we all understand it now getting rid of the lost image icons is an improvement. But the lack of features is what keeps me (I think, still mulling it over at this point) from trying this although the open in PS and then invoke plugins from there is a decent workaround. But the cloud and local tabs need to be better integrated…an edited image in local needs to be synced to and appear in the cloud tab rather than making a copy with current edits baked in…and then if that synced image is edited on another device the edits need to get sympnced back to the local tab…they’re all just xmp files so that doesn’t seem to hard. Rename features need to be incorporated into LR as well…as do the other missing features, Previews, and all that it’s currently missing.

My personal guess is that the feature set will coalesce so feature wise they’re the same and then the 2 apps will get combined into 1 app with local and cloud options…unless getting the Maps and slideshows and printing options from LrC into LR is problematic.
To be honest…a file browser makes more sense to mo... (show quote)


I think Adobe has some concerns about a cluttered interface. I think if they consulted a large number of users — all ages and skill levels, in every industry segment that uses Ps and Lr and LrC, they would gain enormous insight, in the same way that they created Lightroom around 16 to 18 years ago.

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Dec 10, 2023 14:01:35   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
To be honest…a file browser makes more sense to most people out of the box because they’re used to working with files that want. The catalog idea in classic but it not really being your images is somewhat of a confusing way to do things for a lot of people…and while we all understand it now getting rid of the lost image icons is an improvement. But the lack of features is what keeps me (I think, still mulling it over at this point) from trying this although the open in PS and then invoke plugins from there is a decent workaround. But the cloud and local tabs need to be better integrated…an edited image in local needs to be synced to and appear in the cloud tab rather than making a copy with current edits baked in…and then if that synced image is edited on another device the edits need to get sympnced back to the local tab…they’re all just xmp files so that doesn’t seem to hard. Rename features need to be incorporated into LR as well…as do the other missing features, Previews, and all that it’s currently missing.

My personal guess is that the feature set will coalesce so feature wise they’re the same and then the 2 apps will get combined into 1 app with local and cloud options…unless getting the Maps and slideshows and printing options from LrC into LR is problematic.
To be honest…a file browser makes more sense to mo... (show quote)


The entire concept of the local tab is that nothing is synced.

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Dec 13, 2023 15:47:30   #
Ednsb Loc: Santa Barbara
 
bsprague wrote:
In October Lightroom (the cloudy one) got a "Local" tab. I ignored it. Now, for two days, I've been watching and learning about it.

The "Local" tab makes everything useful in Classic's Develop module available without dealing with a importing or a catalog. The local tab navigates to any file in any folder and allows you to work on it, quickly and simply.

Have you tried it?


MattK put out a video just other day saying he had moved to Lightroom from Lightroom Classic because it did everything Lightroom Classic did without having to use a catalog. Since the problems Lightroom 6 had with its catalog I followed MattK from adobe to On1 which allowed me to use either or catalogs or the local browser (much like how bridge worked.

But when I downloaded it (I teach Photoshop and Lightroom Classic by the way) I saw a number of functions missing such as plugins which are a huge part of my workflow. So I am not ready to jump ship but I think this could be the first step in getting rid of Bridge since Lightroom will do most if not all of its functions. Though that might just really piss off the graphic artists that seem to use bridge rather than Lightroom Classic..

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Dec 14, 2023 14:17:32   #
esandy
 
Matt K said that Edit History is gone in this new version.

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