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Sep 24, 2023 12:56:29   #
FrumCA
 
ArtzDarkroom wrote:
I suspect the evolution of solar panels and batteries will solve that problem.

They are going to have to do A LOT of evolving!! Here's what the current situation looks like.



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Sep 24, 2023 13:02:32   #
Triple G
 
FrumCA wrote:
They are going to have to do A LOT of evolving!! Here's what the current situation looks like.


In IL, Com Ed is putting panels on subdivision houses' roofs and guarantee charging the owner 75% of current electrical costs for term of contract.

https://www.comed.com/SmartEnergy/InnovationTechnology/Pages/EVChargerReadiness.aspx

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Sep 24, 2023 13:26:36   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Triple G wrote:
In IL, Com Ed is putting panels on subdivision houses' roofs and guarantee charging the owner 75% of current electrical costs for term of contract.

https://www.comed.com/SmartEnergy/InnovationTechnology/Pages/EVChargerReadiness.aspx


At a cost to taxpayers through federal and local incentives?

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Sep 24, 2023 13:55:05   #
Triple G
 
Effate wrote:
At a cost to taxpayers through federal and local incentives?



No, residents buy system and get tax credits.


https://www.irs.gov/credits-deductions/residential-clean-energy-credit

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Sep 24, 2023 14:07:09   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Triple G wrote:


How do you think tax credits are funded?

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Sep 24, 2023 14:13:20   #
Triple G
 
Effate wrote:
How do you think tax credits are funded?


I'm not ready to assume that it's on the taxpayers not getting solar - I'm researching how the initiative is being funded; expense reduction, credit reductions in other areas, etc. I'll get back to you.

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-are-green-banks/

Learning a great deal. Should be revenue producing at some future point. Still resesrching.

https://climate-xchange.org/2022/10/27/green-banks-and-the-ira-how-states-can-leverage-funding/

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Sep 24, 2023 18:15:04   #
Triple G
 
Triple G wrote:
I'm not ready to assume that it's on the taxpayers not getting solar - I'm researching how the initiative is being funded; expense reduction, credit reductions in other areas, etc. I'll get back to you.

https://usafacts.org/articles/what-are-green-banks/

Learning a great deal. Should be revenue producing at some future point. Still resesrching.

https://climate-xchange.org/2022/10/27/green-banks-and-the-ira-how-states-can-leverage-funding/


Looks like minimum corporate tax will pay for the first seed money.

https://www.morganlewis.com/pubs/2022/08/inflation-reduction-act-creates-27b-green-bank-fund-for-clean-energy-projects-but-false-claims-risks-exist

https://www.velaw.com/insights/the-inflation-reduction-acts-green-bank-begins-to-take-shape/

https://www.ncelenviro.org/app/uploads/2022/12/Green-Banks-IRA-Issue-Brief.pdf

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Oct 5, 2023 21:41:23   #
ArtzDarkroom Loc: Near Disneyland-Orange County, California
 
Gas prices will probably never come down enough to please the general public

I'm not sure if prices will go down when electric vehicles decrease the demand, but that seems logical. Not a sure thing.

Electric vehicles as we know them now will not be the last iteration of personal mobility.

I can't imagine what is next... Star Trek Transporters?

Yeah, I'm reaching... lol

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Oct 5, 2023 23:47:36   #
Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands
 
Effate wrote:
How do you think tax credits are funded?


By fossil fuels tax

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Oct 6, 2023 00:37:19   #
Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.
 
Haenzel wrote:
By fossil fuels tax


Are those the taxes that are supposed to pay for our crumbling infrastructure instead of making Elon the richest man on the planet?

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Oct 6, 2023 06:22:51   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
There are 6.2 million electric vehicles on the road in the USA 2 million of them cares. It seems that electric vehicles are here already. Marriott is putting in chargers in all their hotels.It would seem EV's are here to stay

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Oct 6, 2023 06:55:36   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Effate wrote:
How do you think tax credits are funded?


That money will come from either Mexico, China, Russia...

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Oct 6, 2023 09:36:41   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
steve03 wrote:
There are 6.2 million electric vehicles on the road in the USA 2 million of them cares. It seems that electric vehicles are here already. Marriott is putting in chargers in all their hotels.It would seem EV's are here to stay


Not so much in the frozen north, (Canada).

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Oct 6, 2023 09:41:53   #
DaveO Loc: Northeast CT
 
Perhaps another term like "Non-fossil fuel vehicles" would include various other necessary alternatives.

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Oct 6, 2023 11:16:08   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Kraken wrote:
Not so much in the frozen north, (Canada).


Don't know much about lithium ion, but no battery that I'm familiar with does well in extreme cold. In really cold areas tow trucks have car starting generators instead of car starting batteries. Pneumatic starters are also much more common in areas that get very cold. I'm guessing that is why electric vehicles aren't so popular in the frozen north. Don't know anything about fuel cells, but I'd be surprised if they do well there either

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