pendennis

And today's climate is not as warm as it was 2K years ago. During the Roman Empire, citrus groves were a common sight along Hadrian's wall. And Rome was a near-tropical city.

We are also on the far side of the warming cycle since the last ice age.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA

So are we to conclude that the farts have a lasting effect?

/s

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

We can always find nuggets to support our beliefs. Long-range data charts and worldwide information is a bit different:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/climate-change-2000-years-of-earths-temperatures-in-one-simple-chart-and-copycat-misinformation/

The impact on our lives will become much clearer in the next 10 - 15 years. By then it will be more about reaction than prevention.

cliff Hilbert Loc: Plano, TX

cliff Hilbert Loc: Plano, TX

For many years climate change activists have been screaming fear tactics that the world is going to end in the next 10 years if we don't change this or that. But, the world still exists and hasn't gone down the tubes. I think that according to AOC the world was supposed to end two years ago, but we're still here just like we will be in 20-25 years.

In Dallas in the summer of 1979 the temp was 113 degrees on day. The local weatherman on tv cooked an egg on the sidewalk that day. We even had a record 33 straight days above 100 degrees. FORTY FOUR YEARS LATER NONE of those records have been broken. The record that has been broken is the LOW TEMPERATURE - it was -2 degrees two years ago in Dallas, caused by global warming no doubt.

Does anyone remember the dust bowl days from many years ago? The climate has only improved since then, otherwise this nation would have ceased to exist. Can you change the course of the environment? No. What has caused the climate changes over the centuries? What caused the Ice Age? What caused the loss of the ice age? Why did the dinosaurs die? Could you have saved them if you lived back then?

All you climate fear activists are doing is causing the costs of energy and everything that is run by energy to accelerate. The poor, whom you claim to care about, can't afford the new electric vehicles. They can hardly afford the costs of energy to heat and cool their living quarters, costs which have accelerated in the past 2 1/2 years.

What you can't do is change the course of the environment no matter what you do. All you do is cause fear among the gullible and foolish.

pbearperry Loc: Massachusetts

Wow, I had to double check. For a minute I thought I was reading in the Attic.

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Another nonsensical reference: The Dust Bowl.

The Dust Bowl was created, in part, by humans.
https://www.history.com/topics/great-depression/dust-bowl

Areas in the west and southwest continue to experience drought. The land is overpopulated and over-farmed and water is scarce. That "climate" has not improved.

cliff Hilbert Loc: Plano, TX

Man doesn't cause drought. What absolute foolishness. It's amazing what kind of nonsense can be found on the internet. Only really gullible people would believe that man is responsible for that.

pendennis

Those are not "nuggets". The world was warmer and CO2 levels were indeed higher. What that tells me, is that 2K years is but a blip in time.

We're now discovering that ice core samples from the Antarctic are not the be-all, end-all of historic temperature measurements. Climate modeling computers don't have the ability to accurately foretell anything.

What worries me most is that the radical climate activists such as King Charles, III and John Kerry have acolytes who are damaging things such as fine art in museums, because they've taken their words literally. This is an example of folks who fail to see the effect of their words, and have no end-to-end thinking processes.

I'm not advocating doing nothing. However, unless, and until the worst polluters in the world (read China and India) get on board with improving their carbon footprints, it's nothing but a formula to radically change our lives for the worst. And Third World countries are going to have to stop spending their GDP's on military, and start spending it on those things which make their own citizens' lives better.

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Please try to keep up. Man causes water shortages when they overpopulate a dry area.

Re The Dust Bowl, the man-made cause was primarily removing the native grasses and topsoil in order to plant non-native crops.

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

The problem is definitely worldwide and I don't think we'll see consensus or cooperation that will make a difference. Like I said, in 10 or 15 years, the issue will be much clearer.

Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington

Alas, it was only a matter of time.

Signing off. The Attic is far too toxic for us sensitive souls

Watash

I wonder if anyone knows how many times the climate has changed since the Earth has existed.
Climate change is nothing new.

cliff Hilbert Loc: Plano, TX

And for us to think that we can change it ourselves is nothing but pure arrogance and stupidity. We can't delay climate change anymore than we could have delayed or sped up any of the changes that have come upon this world since it has existed.

At least five major ice ages have occurred throughout Earth's history: the earliest was over 2 billion years ago, and the most recent one began approximately 3 million years ago and continues today (yes, we live in an ice age!). Currently, we are in a warm interglacial that began about 11,000 years ago.


These ice ages are triggered and ended by slow changes in the Earth's orbit.