Save children? Or ban firearms? There are some lively and interesting conversations going on regarding criminals shooting innocents. They always pretend and claim to be about saving...

LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb

There are some lively and interesting conversations going on regarding criminals shooting innocents. They always pretend and claim to be about saving children. They always don't care about saving children, just banning firearms. So here is the challenge. Are you for doing the things required to eliminate threats and hazards to safeguard and protect the lives of children? All the things required? Or are you just out to ban firearms and using children to further your cause. We already know the answer but go ahead and pat yourself on the back anyway and claim you are all for the children. It's what you hypocrites do best.

Triple G

That's not the binary choice.

The choice is our school children who are in increasingly dangerous situations rather than a safe and nurturing learning environments. The question is how do we change that and save children. When are the adults going to decide to get out of their myopic-silos and decide to work together on meaningful changes?

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Triple G wrote:

That's not the binary choice.

The choice is our school children who are in increasingly dangerous situations rather than a safe and nurturing learning environments. The question is how do we change that and save children. When are the adults going to decide to get out of their myopic-silos and decide to work together on meaningful changes?

But people are MAKING child-safety vs. guns a binary choice!

People are blaming the weapons, NOT the persons responsible.

Bill 45

Wyantry wrote:

But people are MAKING child-safety vs. guns a binary choice!

People are blaming the weapons, NOT the persons responsible.

If you ban some of the firearms on the market now, you would not have any anyone to blaming.

Triple G

Wyantry wrote:

But people are MAKING child-safety vs. guns a binary choice!

People are blaming the weapons, NOT the persons responsible.

Not I--it's about access and type.

David Martin Loc: Cary, NC

LDB415 wrote:

There are some lively and interesting conversation... (show quote)

Exactly how effective was Prohibition? And why was it repealed?

LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb

Triple G wrote:

Not I--it's about access and type.

That's the very definition of it's about banning firearms and who cares about the children.

Triple G

LDB415 wrote:

That's the very definition of it's about banning firearms and who cares about the children.

Only because some people only look at it from that viewpoint. If it's a people problem, the only things between people and the weapon are access and type. There is no change possible without discussion on those. Without discussion on those, more children die! The people who are not willing to discuss those things are the ones who believe thoughts and prayers are enough and never offer up solutions.

LDB415 Loc: Houston south suburb

Triple G wrote:

Only because some people only look at it from that viewpoint. If it's a people problem, the only things between people and the weapon are access and type. There is no change possible without discussion on those. Without discussion on those, more children die! The people who are not willing to discuss those things are the ones who believe thoughts and prayers are enough and never offer up solutions.

What needs to be discussed is not what types of firearms to limit or what/how to give access, it's how to hard secure schools, how to get mental illness information made public to LE, NICS, and medical professionals. There should be zero discussion of anything to do with restricting or infringing inanimate objects.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

LDB415 wrote:

What needs to be discussed is not what types of firearms to limit or what/how to give access, it's how to hard secure schools, how to get mental illness information made public to LE, NICS, and medical professionals. There should be zero discussion of anything to do with restricting or infringing inanimate objects.

Now that is sentiment I can support!

Right now, the restriction of pertinent medical (mental) information is restricted behind the “Patient Privacy” firewall. This evidently prevents information gathered by medical and mental professionals from being revealed to law enforcement in a timely manner — or not provided at all.

Until such time as information concerning medical or mental information-release overrides patient-privacy concerns, there will be little change.

And until the cultural emphasis on violent sports, glorification of combat and violent computer games, nothing is likely going to change.

The current iteration of “Red Flag Laws” being put into place may work, but necessitate an “informant” to initiate action. The problem with that process is that persons with a ‘grudge’, spouses / in-laws, even ‘nosy neighbors’ or political adversaries could/can get proceedings started.
(Since the entire procedure is done ‘in secret’ with no possible prior defense, I seriously question the legality on constitutional grounds).

Triple G

Wyantry wrote:

Now that is sentiment I can support! br br Right ... (show quote)

All things need to be considered. Children are too precious to lose.

Triple G

Wyantry wrote:

Now that is sentiment I can support! br br Right ... (show quote)

So true. I was saddened to see young boys at the zoo yesterday acting out as big game hunters to shoot the animals (in captivity) rather than be sad that so many of these great God’s creatures are going extinct. I guess that’s a “woke” sentiment not shared by all.

Watash

Triple G wrote:

That's not the binary choice.

The choice is our school children who are in increasingly dangerous situations rather than a safe and nurturing learning environments. The question is how do we change that and save children. When are the adults going to decide to get out of their myopic-silos and decide to work together on meaningful changes?

The press after the shooting seemed to be more interested in what pronouns the murdering, mentally deranged
piece of trash shooter used than the victims. This is what you get when you have a Godless government run by Godless people supported by a Godless electorate. The war on Christians has escalated and it's not going to be pretty. Especially, with most Christians being silent like the churches in Germany before Hilter.

alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ

LDB415 wrote:

There are some lively and interesting conversation... (show quote)

I believe it starts with the parents, however many parents are so afraid to properly instruct or discipline their children for fear the child won't be their best friend. That is something that sadly won't change any time soon.
I find it interesting that schools will go into lock down when they hear of a threat, but why don't they go into lock down as soon as school starts every day?

pdsdville Loc: Midlothian, Tx

This is one complicated mess. HIPPA prevents the medical profession from giving information to the police about dangerous patients. People are more concerned with privacy than life. NICS can't really get the information they need to make informed judgements on when to approve a gun sale. Ignorant clerks behind the counter ignore NICS denials and sell firearms anyway. I blocked a sale to a young lady who didn't seem quite right to me. Notified our other stores not to sell her a pistol. The third store did and she went home and killed her mother. Not fun testifying at that trial. It IS NOT the firearm, which is just a tool but the person behind it. If no firearms were available they would use some other method to kill. Banning any type of firearm would be just about as effective as prohibition was or as the drug bans are now. It won't work. With the millions of firearms out there now, how are you going to take them away from the public? Concentrate on the problem not on the tools.