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Oct 25, 2011 09:33:09   #
MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy
 
JimH wrote:
Ummm...


ha ha I just posted the same thing. Great minds think alike, I guess. :thumbup:

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Oct 25, 2011 09:34:38   #
POVDOV
 
I like the idea of simplicity. One photo section for all and plainly state whether you want critique or not. If you get critique anyway then man up and ignore it. POVDOV

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Oct 25, 2011 10:01:28   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Allow display of the EXIF data for posted photos.

Have available a standard but short form to fill out when posting a photo for critique. Keep it optional; after all, many neophyte and beginner photogs will not know the technical terms.

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Oct 25, 2011 10:05:13   #
MWAC Loc: Somewhere East Of Crazy
 
anotherview wrote:
Allow display of the EXIF data for posted photos.

Have available a standard but short form to fill out when posting a photo for critique. Keep it optional; after all, many neophyte and beginner photogs will not know the technical terms.


I always allow my EXIF data to be displayed, but then I also do not use the forums upload system. I post directly from Flickr.

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Oct 25, 2011 10:33:25   #
Lmarc Loc: Ojojona, Honduras
 
tj wrote:
And what about posting full size files so they maybe downloaded and viewed in full.
Critique is a great learning tool and a seperate section is a great idea.


I've thought about this a lot lately, especially since FINALLY finding a good and reliable (PIE) method of viewing all the metadata hidden within a full size file. Posting the full version, or even the original RAW, would be a great learning tool for anyone wanting to reproduce a similar result on their own similar subject. This would usually give all the camera/lens info, aperture, F-stop, focal length, automatic and manual settings, etc., etc., as well as the time of day if the photographer has set his/her camera properly.

If someone posted a great photo it would be super to be able to play with similar settings and see how close we can come to a real professional's results.

I know some are concerned about theft of a great full-sized image, but there is already an implied and legal copyright, and legal ownership is still with the original photographer.

Any thoughts?

Oooops! Looks like while I was typing, lots of folks had the same idea! :lol:

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Oct 25, 2011 10:38:21   #
teenfotofanatic Loc: Kenya, Africa
 
Yeah, I think a Critique section would be a great idea, especially if metadata is included.

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Oct 25, 2011 10:42:42   #
kimberliswenson Loc: Ridgefield, WA
 
Admin wrote:
A few people contacted me about setting up a new section for pictures to be used solely for advice and critique, as opposed to simply showing the photos.

The one problem I see with having two pictures sections is that people would be misplacing their topics. Those who simply want to show off a photo (not necessarily looking for critique) would sometimes post it in the advice section and vice versa.

So without clear guidelines, deciding what should go where and moving misplaced topics would be difficult.

One solution I see is having a restrictive set of rules for the advice section.
Something like:
- Must state the settings used for taking the picture (ISO, aperture, shutter speed, any body presets).
- Must describe the lighting (sources, intensity, locations, weather, etc.).
- Must list the gear (body, lenses, etc.)
- Must ask specific questions about either improving the existing picture in post or about retaking the shot.

Any topic that is placed in the advice section without the required info/questions gets moved into the pictures section.

Such set of rules would probably help with keeping the advice section focused on its intended purpose. But at the same time, I'm not sure what to do abut open-ended posts like "Here is a picture, how can I make it better?"

Any suggestions/opinions are welcome.
A few people contacted me about setting up a new s... (show quote)


I agree that this section is needed, and that most of that information should be included. But I think just naming the section "Critique/Help" would suffice. The title makes it pretty obvious that if you put an image there, it will be critiqued.....and this would make less work for admin.

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Oct 25, 2011 10:43:52   #
kimberliswenson Loc: Ridgefield, WA
 
It isn't hard to watermark your image before you post it. I think it would depend on limitations of the server and file size.

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Oct 25, 2011 11:15:54   #
visualconnections Loc: Boerne, texas
 
I'm really confused on where, how and when on some of these sections so until I'm sure, ill just wait to post pictures. I appreciate the advise I have received and please make it simple like the C&C section would be just that "simple".

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Oct 25, 2011 11:23:38   #
Overly Hackled Loc: Still in Siagon
 
tj wrote:
Admin wrote:
A few people contacted me about setting up a new section for pictures to be used solely for advice and critique, as opposed to simply showing the photos.

The one problem I see with having two pictures sections is that people would be misplacing their topics. Those who simply want to show off a photo (not necessarily looking for critique) would sometimes post it in the advice section and vice versa.

So without clear guidelines, deciding what should go where and moving misplaced topics would be difficult.

One solution I see is having a restrictive set of rules for the advice section.
Something like:
- Must state the settings used for taking the picture (ISO, aperture, shutter speed, any body presets).
- Must describe the lighting (sources, intensity, locations, weather, etc.).
- Must list the gear (body, lenses, etc.)
- Must ask specific questions about either improving the existing picture in post or about retaking the shot.

Any topic that is placed in the advice section without the required info/questions gets moved into the pictures section.

Such set of rules would probably help with keeping the advice section focused on its intended purpose. But at the same time, I'm not sure what to do abut open-ended posts like "Here is a picture, how can I make it better?"

Any suggestions/opinions are welcome.
A few people contacted me about setting up a new s... (show quote)


All the requied fields you sugest are good ones,and can that be done, make them requied fields without those fields present it wont post.
And what about posting full size files so they maybe downloaded and viewed in full.
Critique is a great learning tool and a seperate section is a great idea.
quote=Admin A few people contacted me about setti... (show quote)




Absolutely agree and support this idea. It is becoming a bit of a task to open up all the photos posted and sift through the "What do you thin" posts and those that provide enough info for those with the expertise to respond and help move those of us looking to learn from a post.

requiring the info/data fields to be completed in order to post
is an excellent suggestion.

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Oct 25, 2011 11:26:15   #
Overly Hackled Loc: Still in Siagon
 
Cornishpete wrote:
I am not sure what a "body preset" is. What I think could be usefully added to the "must" list of rules would be to ask which photo manipulation program and version was used (if any), so that suggestions are relevant to that, rather than suggesting using some 'smart tool' that is only available on the very latest verion 10 or whatever.

Oh yeh! let's ban for ever the use of 'Awesome' just because there is some snow on a mountain in the background! :D


That is an "Awesome " idea , "I like it a lot", "you did a good job on that" ! :D

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Oct 25, 2011 11:26:25   #
renomike Loc: Reno, Nevada
 
Admin wrote:
One solution I see is having a restrictive set of rules for the advice section.
Something like:
- Must state the settings used for taking the picture (ISO, aperture, shutter speed, any body presets).
- Must describe the lighting (sources, intensity, locations, weather, etc.).
- Must list the gear (body, lenses, etc.)
- Must ask specific questions about either improving the existing picture in post or about retaking the shot.

Any topic that is placed in the advice section without the required info/questions gets moved into the pictures section.
One solution I see is having a restrictive set of ... (show quote)



I don't know about others, but when I busy taking photos, I do not pay attention to what my camera settings are, I adjust to what I think will give me the best shot for that moment, Sun one moment, and maybe shade 5 minutes later. I adjust for each exposure, and keep shooting. I'd have to carry a pad and pen to record each shot, and I don't have time for that. I'm out to have fun, not write a technical article. I thought this was suppose to a fun family forum to show what photos we have captured.

If you asked me what exposures, or setting I used on any of the photos I posted, I couldn't tell you. That doesn't mean I still might not be able to advise someone else that's having a certain type of trouble capturing a certain shot, with try this setting or this exposure.

If I wanted to Join Professional Photographers Forum, that's what I would have done. I agree "Keep It Simple".

That's just my two cents......

Mike

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Oct 25, 2011 11:28:54   #
teenfotofanatic Loc: Kenya, Africa
 
renomike wrote:
Admin wrote:
One solution I see is having a restrictive set of rules for the advice section.
Something like:
- Must state the settings used for taking the picture (ISO, aperture, shutter speed, any body presets).
- Must describe the lighting (sources, intensity, locations, weather, etc.).
- Must list the gear (body, lenses, etc.)
- Must ask specific questions about either improving the existing picture in post or about retaking the shot.

Any topic that is placed in the advice section without the required info/questions gets moved into the pictures section.
One solution I see is having a restrictive set of ... (show quote)



I don't know about others, but when I busy taking photos, I do not pay attention to what my camera settings are, I adjust to what I think will give me the best shot for that moment, Sun one moment, and maybe shade 5 minutes later. I adjust for each exposure, and keep shooting. I'd have to carry a pad and pen to record each shot, and I don't have time for that. I'm out to have fun, not write a technical article. I thought this was suppose to a fun family forum to show what photos we have captured.

If you asked me what exposures, or setting I used on any of the photos I posted, I couldn't tell you. That doesn't mean I still might not be able to advise someone else that's having a certain type of trouble capturing a certain shot, with try this setting or this exposure.

If I wanted to Join Professional Photographers Forum, that's what I would have done. I agree "Keep It Simple".

That's just my two cents......

Mike
quote=Admin One solution I see is having a restri... (show quote)


Basically any camera you use should automatically record the metadata. It is attached to the file as EXIF info. The easiest way to view it is to right-click the thumbnail of the photo and select properties (if your computer is Windows).
Metadata can be awfully handy.

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Oct 25, 2011 11:44:55   #
renomike Loc: Reno, Nevada
 
[quote=teenfotofanatic][quote=renomike]
Admin wrote:

Basically any camera you use should automatically record the metadata. It is attached to the file as EXIF info. The easiest way to view it is to right-click the thumbnail of the photo and select properties (if your computer is Windows).
Metadata can be awfully handy.



I'm aware of that, and I sometimes strip this data before posting online, but not always. I just think if we have to get that technical on info, you need to be on a site for professionals, that's all.

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Oct 25, 2011 12:43:09   #
kimberliswenson Loc: Ridgefield, WA
 
[quote=renomike][quote=teenfotofanatic]
renomike wrote:
Admin wrote:

Basically any camera you use should automatically record the metadata. It is attached to the file as EXIF info. The easiest way to view it is to right-click the thumbnail of the photo and select properties (if your computer is Windows).
Metadata can be awfully handy.



I'm aware of that, and I sometimes strip this data before posting online, but not always. I just think if we have to get that technical on info, you need to be on a site for professionals, that's all.
quote=Admin br Basically any camera you use shou... (show quote)


I think that if you are asking for a critique or help with the actual capture of the image, then if you have the metadata it would be good to include it. If you want help with how to edit, then it isn't necessary. If you are a film photographer, this all would have to be recorded manually at the time you take the image, and as RenoMike said, it isn't always possible to to that. I don't think the info should be mandatory to post.

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