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Dec 15, 2022 09:29:10   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Is there a lens/F stop combo for taking classic car pics outdoors to blur all those busy backgrounds? Not every venue has room to maneuver but those with lots of experience may have some good suggestions. I know that stopped down is a place to start but then your distance to subject and distance of subject from the background all play into it. Or do you just do trial and error to see what works best? I’ve processed in post to blur the background and even converted the background to B&W but that’s all so artificial.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:33:23   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
Another route is to focus stack with a relatively large aperture.

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Dec 15, 2022 09:59:34   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
gvarner wrote:
Is there a lens/F stop combo for taking classic car pics outdoors to blur all those busy backgrounds? Not every venue has room to maneuver but those with lots of experience may have some good suggestions. I know that stopped down is a place to start but then your distance to subject and distance of subject from the background all play into it. Or do you just do trial and error to see what works best? I’ve processed in post to blur the background and even converted the background to B&W but that’s all so artificial.
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Slightly longer than a Normal Lens, say a Short Portrait Lens, say 50 to 65mm ish for CF bodies, or 85 to 105mm ish for FF bodies.

Use a F-stop of the smallest number you can and still keep all of the car in focus. Or to say a different way use selective focus. Or to say yet another way, Depth of Field at a minimum for the car.

You may have to look these terms and concepts up. The fact that you are asking seems you are a bit new to the technical aspects of photography. Good luck. I like automobile photos.

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Dec 15, 2022 10:27:55   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
lamiaceae wrote:
Slightly longer than a Normal Lens, say a Short Portrait Lens, say 50 to 65mm ish for CF bodies, or 85 to 105mm ish for FF bodies.

Use a F-stop of the smallest number you can and still keep all of the car in focus. Or to say a different way use selective focus. Or to say yet another way, Depth of Field at a minimum for the car.

You may have to look these terms and concepts up. The fact that you are asking seems you are a bit new to the technical aspects of photography. Goog luck. I like automobile photos.
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Not new, just curious as to how others deal with this subject. The response could help others too. I normally do my blurring in post but that gets a bit tedious. I'd rather do it in camera as much as possible.

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Dec 15, 2022 11:57:36   #
bdk Loc: Sanibel Fl.
 
smallest F number anything above say 4 is too slow. A longer lens works better say a 200mm with a low f# works much better than say an 16mm with the same F#

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Dec 15, 2022 12:03:04   #
Rongnongno Loc: FL
 
gvarner wrote:
Is there a lens/F stop combo for taking classic car pics outdoors to blur all those busy backgrounds? Not every venue has room to maneuver but those with lots of experience may have some good suggestions. I know that stopped down is a place to start but then your distance to subject and distance of subject from the background all play into it. Or do you just do trial and error to see what works best? I’ve processed in post to blur the background and even converted the background to B&W but that’s all so artificial.
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Before the camera settings, think composition, perspective, and angle of view. This is more important than anything else. It will transform your capture from 'so, so' ordinary to 'I never saw this car this way'.

Also think details, parts of the car vs the whole thing.

As an example…
Have the car wheels turned instead of being aligned with the body. Crouch down looking inside the cavity. Light can be on of off. This will give an aggressive appearance… Especially if you use a wide angle. The aperture and background can be reduced to almost zero w/o having to worry about the f-stop and other 'incidentals' like folks walking around.

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Dec 15, 2022 13:11:53   #
User ID
 
Just photograph each panel of the car separately, then reassemble it in post.

Its the proven Johnny Cash technique.

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Dec 15, 2022 19:49:19   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
gvarner wrote:
Is there a lens/F stop combo for taking classic car pics outdoors to blur all those busy backgrounds? Not every venue has room to maneuver but those with lots of experience may have some good suggestions. I know that stopped down is a place to start but then your distance to subject and distance of subject from the background all play into it. Or do you just do trial and error to see what works best? I’ve processed in post to blur the background and even converted the background to B&W but that’s all so artificial.
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I don't know of any magic combination to blur the background, so I shoot with a wide-ish angle lens and just try to get all the car in the frame and sharp. Our local car shows have the cars jammed together and a sea of people everywhere, so trying to isolate the car is pretty much futile. I will go with maybe something like a 28-70 and just try to make the car look as good as I can, without a lot of regard for the background. The car will be the focus anyway, if you more or less fill the frame.

As for distance to subject, you're lucky if you get a half-dozen feet, and there's never any room in between to get a side shot. I just take what I get, mostly.


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Dec 16, 2022 06:36:21   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
gvarner wrote:
Is there a lens/F stop combo for taking classic car pics outdoors to blur all those busy backgrounds? Not every venue has room to maneuver but those with lots of experience may have some good suggestions. I know that stopped down is a place to start but then your distance to subject and distance of subject from the background all play into it. Or do you just do trial and error to see what works best? I’ve processed in post to blur the background and even converted the background to B&W but that’s all so artificial.
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Check the Photopills phone app.

You dial in your camera/lens combo and it will calculate the nearest and farthest in-focus distances for each f-stop.

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Dec 16, 2022 08:19:22   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
gvarner wrote:
Is there a lens/F stop combo for taking classic car pics outdoors to blur all those busy backgrounds? Not every venue has room to maneuver but those with lots of experience may have some good suggestions. I know that stopped down is a place to start but then your distance to subject and distance of subject from the background all play into it. Or do you just do trial and error to see what works best? I’ve processed in post to blur the background and even converted the background to B&W but that’s all so artificial.
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I am a journalist/ photographer making a living in Norway, but come from Wisconsin. I work for Amcar magazine in Norway, and Motor Trend group in the USA.

Advice...
Event photography is an exception... but location and lighting makes for great images and sells. Perspective is your biggest trump card. Your only concern for F stop should be focus depth of the subject. F4.5 for angles, and F 2.8 for side shots at a minimum. It is not always about blurry backgrounds, many times it is to your advantage to go F8 to 16 for certain locations to include the scene in all its glory...

You can be a picture taker or be a photographer. There is no wrong or right when it comes to F stop, but be sure you are sharp front to back of the subject. You can always use Photoshop to blend your F 1.2 with a F 5 image if you are after a soft backround or bokah, but most important...will never get anywhere with opening up your lens too far for the subject..

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Dec 16, 2022 08:44:38   #
CliffMcKenzie Loc: Lake Athens Texas
 
Another angle - get permission to shoot at least an hour before the event or better yet, during the setup. We (our photo club) negotiate with the show for press passes and special permission regarding entry and if needed, tripods. In return, we promise 5 images for use per pass. Cliff

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Dec 16, 2022 10:43:22   #
jlg1000 Loc: Uruguay / South America
 
CliffMcKenzie wrote:
Another angle - get permission to shoot at least an hour before the event or better yet, during the setup. We (our photo club) negotiate with the show for press passes and special permission regarding entry and if needed, tripods. In return, we promise 5 images for use per pass. Cliff


This is a *great piece of advice*

Nothing worse than trying to get good shots with zillions of people loitering by...

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Dec 16, 2022 11:44:13   #
Guyserman Loc: Benton, AR
 
User ID wrote:
Just photograph each panel of the car separately, then reassemble it in post.

Its the proven Johnny Cash technique.



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Dec 16, 2022 13:14:26   #
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway Loc: none
 
jlg1000 wrote:
This is a *great piece of advice*

Nothing worse than trying to get good shots with zillions of people loitering by...


Nothing worse than an event with no people... the best shot you can get is with people peaking for a closer look. And for everyone else, bs on permission... Your credentials give you all the latitude you need.

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Dec 16, 2022 15:31:38   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
... meanwhile somewhere in Norway wrote:
I am a journalist/ photographer making a living in Norway, but come from Wisconsin. I work for Amcar magazine in Norway, and Motor Trend group in the USA.

Advice...
Event photography is an exception... but location and lighting makes for great images and sells. Perspective is your biggest trump card. Your only concern for F stop should be focus depth of the subject. F4.5 for angles, and F 2.8 for side shots at a minimum. It is not always about blurry backgrounds, many times it is to your advantage to go F8 to 16 for certain locations to include the scene in all its glory...

You can be a picture taker or be a photographer. There is no wrong or right when it comes to F stop, but be sure you are sharp front to back of the subject. You can always use Photoshop to blend your F 1.2 with a F 5 image if you are after a soft backround or bokah, but most important...will never get anywhere with opening up your lens too far for the subject..
I am a journalist/ photographer making a living in... (show quote)


Great advice.

My expereince is car shows are a nightmare if you want to isolate a particular vehicle on an appropriate but non-distracting background.

I am currently working on a calendar for a manufacturer of automotive paints and body repair fillers. Thereis going to be a classic or antique car image for each month. I have done this before and our approach is to go to the shows and contact the owners to bring the car to a "perfect" location, that is in keepg with the age of the car. We used an old firehouse, a 1950s-style diner, old barns, and buildings from the same era as the car or truck, we even found some models and regular folks in period costumes.

By setting up these sessions you get to select the time of day, the weather conditions, and the background. You don't have to worry about distorting the lines of the car by having to use too long a focal length to kill the background or too short a focal length due to lack of backup space. You can decide if you want a sharp or soft background and selt your aperture accordingly.

Mostof the owner's weres paid a fee (the ad agency had a budget) but some preferred a framed print of their car or truck.

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