Nikon or canon (Page 4): Yes, but my use of functions controlled by menu elements goes way beyond just setting up button functionality. Fortunately, my camera's designs do not require...

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

tjc321 wrote:

The Musician/Club Player analogy is a false one. ... (show quote)

Yes, but my use of functions controlled by menu elements goes way beyond just setting up button functionality. Fortunately, my camera's designs do not require accessing the menu for nearly as many functions as other models made by the same manufacturer. (My IR converted camera requires entering the menu to change items as basic as ISO and White Balance, which are directly adjustable on all my other cameras.) My wife's camera is similar to my IR camera...fine as an automatic camera, not so much if you want to take control yourself.

So no, the difference is not trivial, not even if you have lived and worked with it for a number of years.

wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado

MrBob wrote:

BUT, its not a Nikon or Canon...Identity photography is no different than Identity politics...

Yes, I keep forgetting that not everyone is will to carry their cameras and lenses more that 8 hours a day. I will be carrying two systems for three weeks in Scotland; one will be for my wife and the more elaborate system will be for me. I will have to take my glasses, charger, and some other travel items out of my backpack. But the two remaining camera systems themselves will meet the 18 pound limit that Lufthansa sets. And the backpack is an inch or two under their dimensions for all three dimensions. Sometimes one has to pay the price, literally, to carry the bigger and heavier systems.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

tjc321 wrote:

My sincere apologies. I meant no offense.

I didn't take any.

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Woody here. I am adding a Sony a7R3 to my Canon lenses to try the higher res sensor to see if I find the results please me as much or more than my present Olympus 20mp cameras and Canon 24mp aps. The Sony because it will work with my Canon FF lenses, and because it has a hinged LCD, which is my working preference. Canon Rs have only fully articulated LCDs, and the Canon palette is pleasing for skin tones but the fine, local contrast that brings out resolution seems to be missing. Not Nikon, tho I really like the resolution and colors of the Z, because of the lens issue, having to get rid of too many Canons, and buy too pricey Z lenses— tho that may happen down the road. All of this has nothing to do with taking pictures. I can do that with what I have. This is the collector and experimenter that is in me, and probably in many of you.

chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY

bbradford wrote:

Thinking about upgrading to mirrorless. The thing is I have always been a Nikon guy but considering canon because I like the reviews of r5. My question is how steep is the learning curve switching from nikon to canon? Thanks

If you have Nikon F glass already why switch, unless there is something compelling with the Canon feature set that Nikon does not offer. I suggest you try both brands hands on and see how you like the handling and EVF mainly. Hopefully you are near a store so you can physically "test drive" them.

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bbradford wrote:

Curious as to why you say canon has left the house?

Learn to recognize whatz worth ignoring. Move on, pretending you never read it.

Maybe its just my way, but theres two levels beyond the remark above. First level is to ignore the whole post cuz its poisoned by that questionable portion.

Second level is to ignore, or at least seriously doubt, most everything ever posted by that "contributor", based on that questionable "contribution".

I figger the "tip of the iceberg" never exists without the hidden 90% of it.

burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC

bbradford wrote:

Thinking about upgrading to mirrorless. The thing is I have always been a Nikon guy but considering canon because I like the reviews of r5. My question is how steep is the learning curve switching from nikon to canon? Thanks

If you have Nikon lenses, know that with a Nikon FTZ adapter, they work on Nikon's Z lens mount cameras. But the R5 is great. I used Canons and Nikons together for years, and never found going back and forth to be an issue. These days, since 2015, I'm using Panasonic Lumix gear.

For that matter, ALL brands of cameras are really good now. The best from Canon, Sony, Nikon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, Leica, Olympus, and a couple I'm forgetting are all good for their intended niches. You just have to pick the one with the features and strengths YOU need.

Photography is all about visual storytelling. It's not about gear, but good gear does make it easier and more fun.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Every successful photographer is driven by an inner voice telling them Canon is the better camera.

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

Typical. Hide behind your anonymity. You are a sicking blight on the face of the earth.

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CHG_CANON wrote:

Every successful photographer is driven by an inner voice telling them Canon is the better camera.

Verrrrrrrrry driven !
Verrrrrrrrry driven !...

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fstoprookie Loc: Central Valley of California

bbradford wrote:

Thinking about upgrading to mirrorless. The thing is I have always been a Nikon guy but considering canon because I like the reviews of r5. My question is how steep is the learning curve switching from nikon to canon? Thanks

I have been a NIKON user since 2003. I have had D50, D200, D7100, D500, D3, D810, & D5. Had a slew of FF & DX lenses to go with those cameras. I sold some and bought some of the others. I ventured into the mirrorless field about 2 years ago with a Z50 and the 16-50mm & 50-250 Z kit lenses. I liked it so much that I sold that set and purchased a Z6II with a battery grip and FTZ adapter. Loved that camera and ended selling my D810 & D5 to help finance my Z9. I am HAPPY beyond words with both my Mirrorless cameras and use the adapter and 1.7 teleconverter as I wait on the 24-120mm Z & 100-400mm Z lenses to arrive. The S lenses have served me well and about a month ago I purchased an FTZ II. Now I have adapters on both mirrorless cameras to facilitate the use of the 28-70mm f 2.8 and 70-200mm f2.8 and the 200-500mm f5.6 lens. Life is great and so are both my Z6II & Z9. I love being able to use my S lenses on the newer cameras. BTW I am a sports photographer.

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larryepage wrote:

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So no, the difference is not trivial, not even if you have lived and worked with it for a number of years.

Whether operational differences seem to be trivial, or not, is not an aspect of the devices involved. Its the story of users vs real photographers, or of club players vs real musicians.

larryepage Loc: North Texas area

User ID wrote:

Whether operational differences seem to be trivial, or not, is not an aspect of the devices involved. Its the story of users vs real photographers, or of club players vs real musicians.

I have had 4 cars with built-in navigation systems. Figured out how to use all of them. All could display where I was and direct me to where I wanted to go. Doesn't change the fact that the two best and easiest to use were in my 2004 Maxima and my wife's (surprise) 2014 Chrysler 300C. The absolute worst...clunkiest and least functional...is in my 2019 GMC Acadia. Has nothing to do with club driver vs. real driver. Has everything to do with good design vs. clunky, stinky design.

jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY

Slightly related: A couple of years ago, someone here pointed out that a "steep learning curve" means you learn quickly. Plotting learning and time, if the line goes up quickly, not much time has passed. We associate "steep" with difficult, but that's not always the case. Walking down a steep his is not very difficult.

https://www.valamis.com/hub/steep-learning-curve#:~:text=A%20steep%20learning%20curve%20is,will%20be%20slow%20and%20arduous.

Debimth Loc: Missouri

In my opinion Nikon is better for photography