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Apr 2, 2022 18:48:11   #
rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania
 
Rich2236 wrote:
Maybe you should walk a few in her shoes. I would like to see how good you are at posing yourself. You are way to quick to negatively criticize!
When I taught photography, I absolutely never crit a photographer's work the way you have. I always commented that "maybe you could have enhanced the image, or, try it a little this way or that way, etc.' but never did I cut down a persons work.


First, I seriously doubt me feet would fit in her shoes! Second, I never said it was BAD! I said, in my opinion it's not as great as many people are saying. That's my opinion! Did she bracket several exposures to get the best exposure? I don't no but it doesn't appear that way. Artistically, my opinion is useless because I'm basically nobody and it's just an opinion. Are there that many people here who don't get that?
Is UHH really about censoring others opinions? Are we only allowed to say strictly nice things about everything we comment on?
As for posing myself, I don't do selfies. Never have and never will! I'm simply not interested or interesting enough.
As for what you did as a teacher, it can be taken different ways. Criticism isn't always a bad thing and offering up different ways to do what others have done is in a way critiquing their work.
I also taught people how to do things, not photography, and by critiquing others work, I could point out why things are done the way they are done. By the way, every coin has two sides!

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Apr 2, 2022 21:04:02   #
Toby
 
mjc925 wrote:
I am going to jump in to disagree with rmorrison, or at least give my thoughts. Is it technically a great image, composed and created by a master craftsman meant for sale or museum use? No, but not a lot of images here fall under that category. Is the image creative, or at least as or more creative than the average photo posted here, I say yes. There is a feel, vibe, emotion that was attempted and i think captured by the design and execution of the image. The model/photographer obviously thought this image out, it isn't just a selfie in a mirror (I like the concept, I like the lighting/window, I like the metal bed, I like the see through outfit and the idea of the pose). Being the model and photographer, you open yourself up to double risk of criticism and this being her first time posting her, I think that takes some courage that should be encouraged. Is there room for improvement, sure, I would bet even the OP would agree with that, that is why most of us are posting here and once she has posted several shots and gotten comfortable with the forum/group I think constructive critique is very helpful and probably desired. Being the limited number of photographers that post here even semi-regularly, I am encouraged for anyone to post. Having a female poster is a plus, having a female poster who is also the model is a huge plus in my book, so I don't want anything to interfere with more posts. Doesn't mean I will not be honest on my critique. In this case it is clear (or assumed by me) looking at the photo of a first time poster this isn't a master craftperson photographer but someone likely experimenting and desiring to improve (which is basically what I am). So for me it was a good image cause it created an emotional impact on me (which is the most important thing for me in a photo), was as good as many posted here and I truly want to see other work by this photographer. My expectations for each image I comment on isn't the same in my head and this new poster exceeded my expectations for an initial post and I hope posts more and I hope improves like all of us hope to and most of us do. Now maybe I am wrong and this photographer is a successful professional photographer with many sales in this type of art. If that is true, I will re-calibrate my expectations and critiques accordingly. Bottom line, this forum is better off with this post and poster than without, so that is an overall positive for me.
I am going to jump in to disagree with rmorrison, ... (show quote)


I agree with you MJ. I guess this forum's members are like many in the rest of the world, quick to bitch but slow or never offer anything constructive. Life must be sad for someone so full of hate.

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Apr 3, 2022 07:23:28   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
Human sexuality has an element of humor and the tail of the cat tell that part of the tale. If one has ever had cats, they demand to be in the picture. They demand your attention if you have something on the table that you are looking at... plunking themselves exactly where you are looking. For sablynnn to not clone out the cat's tail is her accepting the cat's Dada statement.** The cat, being a serious contemplative observer of humanity, is telling us to not take the sensual sexuality of the female form so seriously and if Sablynnn did not understand Dada, the cat by nature did and looked away from her form and made his ho-hum statement.

Mr Cat, by inserting his tail into the photo was in accordance with the philosophy of Dada, "utilizing the law of chance and using his tail as the found object." Only when viewing her photo did she realize that she was not in charge of the photo, Mr. Cat was by inserting his tail into the photo as a phallic sexual symbol.
Never underestimate the willfulness of a cat!!!

** "... anti-art”, as described by Marcel Duchamp. They wanted to contemplate the definition of art, and to do so they experimented with the laws of chance and with the found object. Theirs was an art form underpinned by humor and clever turns,"
https://magazine.artland.com/what-is-dadaism/

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Apr 3, 2022 08:05:40   #
toxdoc42
 
that is an interesting approach to the cat's tail, and I have to accept it. Art is very personal, and to me, it is a distraction, but i understand your point.

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Apr 3, 2022 11:37:46   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
toxdoc42 wrote:
that is an interesting approach to the cat's tail, and I have to accept it. Art is very personal, and to me, it is a distraction, but i understand your point.

Perhaps a distraction, and perhaps proving "the best-laid plans of mice and beautiful women photographers go astray" ** Yes, but I did sound like i knew art [good for my image I also inflate balloons with hot air]... but at times to paraphrase Freud ... at times as in this photo, "Sometimes, a cat's tail is just a cat's tail,"*** and artifact!
** sota quote from 18th-century Scottish poet Robert Burns

***"Sigmund Freud, the founder of psychoanalysis and one of the most famous scientists of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, has been heavily burdened with a lot of quote attributions since his death, including the “sometimes a cigar is just a cigar”line. As you know, Freudian analysis placed a lot of analytical weight on the symbolic and psychological meanings how people used and valued common items, such as cigars and cigarettes.

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Apr 3, 2022 16:12:51   #
Robustlee Loc: MA.
 
This photo just has a nice feel to it if nothing else, I like it!

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Apr 6, 2022 09:12:52   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 

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Apr 11, 2022 23:40:31   #
DanielB Loc: San Diego, Ca
 
sablynnn wrote:
Hi! This is my first post. I take self portraits whenever I want to create something but no one else is around for me to capture. :-)


Very nice and not easy to do really.

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Apr 12, 2022 09:09:43   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 
DanielB wrote:
Very nice and not easy to do really.


Keep it up, post often!

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Apr 19, 2022 07:02:56   #
Wroley1 Loc: Athens,GA
 
Nicely done!

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Jun 29, 2022 18:15:14   #
wolfMark Loc: Southern Oregon
 
Beautiful image. You captured your body as the work of art that it is. And with so much expression.

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Jul 1, 2022 09:52:54   #
WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI
 
Dpullum, while I agree mostly with your retort, here are two facts: the cat inserted his tail into the photo, and the viewer interpreted it as a phallic gesture. I’m very certain that the cat was only making his presence known and had little or no intention of sexual purpose or innuendo. This being said, it would seem to fall under the heading of DADA, irrespective of the tail being there by chance or purpose.

As to the subject of self portraits, this is one, undeniably. It only needs to be called one to be one. We trust that she is the author indeed. I have a few nude self portraits and I can attest that they are not as easy to pull off as anyone might think. I applaud her aplomb and her courage to post herself. She knows (probably) how vulnerable she is after she posts herself nude in a very male dominated milieu. Good for you Sablynn. I would love to post my own self portraits but just haven’t had the cojones to do it. Maybe I should, if for no other reason than to offer solidarity. Go Girl.

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Jul 1, 2022 10:23:37   #
sablynnn Loc: Georgia
 
I think everyone should take more self portraits. We only have a short time in these bodies and I think they deserve to be captured. 😊

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Jul 1, 2022 10:32:14   #
WirtzWorld Loc: SE WI
 
sablynnn wrote:
Hi WirtzWorld! You mentioned wanting to post your own nude portraits but not being brave enough and I just wanted to offer some encouragement! You aren’t the first to mention that posting a male nude is somewhat…intimidating(?) on this site. I’ve been told it’s because of previous posts where the male photographer/model was basically bullied. If this space that you all have created isn’t welcoming to all forms of photography, or makes men feel self-conscious or as if they’ll be eaten alive for posting their nude art, I think that’s something we should all try to work on. In short, take your self portraits and post them proudly! We only have a short time in these bodies and I think they deserve to be captured. 😊
Hi WirtzWorld! You mentioned wanting to post your ... (show quote)


You sound like you stole that post from me! But my reticence to post myself belies me. In keeping with my naturist lifestyle and very progressive attitudes toward the … world, I guess, in general, I think I will post myself. For solidarity, you understand. Okay just because I would counsel any potential model to do the same. Goose and gander thing going here, yeah??

Stay tuned. (Y’all have been warned.)

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Jul 1, 2022 10:53:43   #
toxdoc42
 
WirtzWorld wrote:
You sound like you stole that post from me! But my reticence to post myself belies me. In keeping with my naturist lifestyle and very progressive attitudes toward the … world, I guess, in general, I think I will post myself. For solidarity, you understand. Okay just because I would counsel any potential model to do the same. Goose and gander thing going here, yeah??

Stay tuned. (Y’all have been warned.)


I will be watching for your posting. I did try posting, and felt there is a strong bias here against such, so good luck. I am proud of my experiments in photography, since covid for sure, i have had no access to models, so my only chance to work with the human form, is with my own, old and not exactly fit.

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