This killer thanks his supporters on christmas
Dec 26, 2021 18:43:40 #
cwp3420 wrote:
Can’t refute any of if it, fly farce cadet? How liberal of you.
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Dec 26, 2021 19:11:54 #
My question is this. Why did he point it at the person who died? Was she in the movie? I thought she wasn't. I'm not trying to start anything I'm just ingnorant of the whole thing. If an actor is acting in a movie he is supplied with props from the person in charge of such. Does or is an actor supposed to check every prop handed to them? I'm honestly ingnorant of the process. I honestly believe that actors are handed machine guns rifles hand grandes ect ect and are not required to do a full safety check on the weapons. The actors are actors the armorers are in my mind responsible for the safety of the firearms. Being ignorant of the subject I could be completely incorrect but my common sense leads me to think in this manner. I'm am pretty sure most actors have no idea how to clear an mp9 or Glock 9mm much less a 50cal. Machine gun. Someone who actually knows the process please chime in.
Dec 26, 2021 20:04:33 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
SteveR wrote:
The armorer and the guy who handed the gun to Baldwin announcing "it's cold," had to be the most incompetent movie empoyees of all time. The other question is, where did the live round come from?
AND...who hired the incompetents?
AND...who hired the incompetents?
And even a greater question is: Why was this replica firearm NOT MODIFIED so it could not fire a live round?
Cylinder (chambers) could have been modified (pinned), or barrel could have been cross-pinned to prevent discharge of any live round. Sure, it might have blown up in someone’s hand, but IT COULD NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE!
Dec 26, 2021 20:08:38 #
Wyantry wrote:
And even a greater question is: Why was this replica firearm NOT MODIFIED so it could not fire a live round?
Cylinder (chambers) could have been modified (pinned), or barrel could have been cross-pinned to prevent discharge of any live round. Sure, it might have blown up in someone’s hand, but IT COULD NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE!
Cylinder (chambers) could have been modified (pinned), or barrel could have been cross-pinned to prevent discharge of any live round. Sure, it might have blown up in someone’s hand, but IT COULD NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE!
The answer to that is because the wad of a blank need to leave the barrell.
Dec 26, 2021 20:08:57 #
Ditto: "Just because he (Alec Baldwin) is on a movie set doesn't mean safety rules are not required."
Watosh wrote:
Is the rule in my post-simple-minded? I assume if ... (show quote)
Dec 26, 2021 21:30:08 #
David Martin
Loc: Cary, NC
Frank T wrote:
Do you believe that the armorer, who was the root cause of this incident should go to jail?
Several firearms experts who work in the movie industry, and several actors who have used firearms in movies, have stated that there is a definite firearm safety code that is standard-use in the movie industry, that was not followed in this case.
It would appear that both the armorer and the actor who fired the weapon were at fault.
In addition, the overall responsibility for on-set safety and maintenance of standard safety protocols falls to the producer of the movie.
In this case, both the actor who fired the weapon and the producer are the same individual.
SteveR wrote:
AND...who hired the incompetents?
The producer.
Dec 26, 2021 22:17:19 #
Wyantry
Loc: SW Colorado
SteveR wrote:
The answer to that is because the wad of a blank need to leave the barrell.
And the answer to that inanity is to have a sub-bore-caliber plug installed that will allow a blanks’ wax-plug or wad to be expelled, but not allow a full-caliber bullet to traverse the bore.
The ultimate answer would be to cross-pin the front of each chamber so a full-size (or actual live round) could NOT be loaded. This would still allow a wad or plug to be expelled.
There are OBVIOUS manners of “safe-ing” a prop gun THAT WERE NOT DONE!
Dec 26, 2021 22:18:35 #
David Martin wrote:
In this case, both the actor who fired the weapon and the producer are the same individual.
Ultimately, the cause of his own effect.
Dec 26, 2021 22:19:58 #
If Alec Baldwin goes to jail I will post a pic of myself half naked (from the waist up) 
Dec 26, 2021 22:23:17 #
soba1 wrote:
If Alec Baldwin goes to jail I will post a pic of myself half naked (from the waist up)
That's not going to be too titillating unless you wear a bro!!
Dec 26, 2021 22:39:49 #
SteveR wrote:
That's not going to be too titillating unless you wear a bro!!
Lol I know it will never happen that’s why I always throw it out there
Dec 27, 2021 07:20:53 #
The issues you raise will become sorted out during the legal process as it applies to the crime(s) involved. I state the obvious.
Meanwhile, we on the outside looking in can refer to the doctrine of gun safety to analyze this incident. I side with the view that the responsibility lies with the individual using the gun to know its status, whether loaded or not. AB says that the responsibility in this incident falls to the employee who supplied him with the firearm.
We shall see how it goes in court.
Meanwhile, we on the outside looking in can refer to the doctrine of gun safety to analyze this incident. I side with the view that the responsibility lies with the individual using the gun to know its status, whether loaded or not. AB says that the responsibility in this incident falls to the employee who supplied him with the firearm.
We shall see how it goes in court.
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
My question is this. Why did he point it at the pe... (show quote)
Dec 27, 2021 07:40:14 #
anotherview wrote:
The issues you raise will become sorted out during... (show quote)
Yes the court will make the decision. I do have a true curiosity as to how it actually works on the set. Only because being well versed in firearms for most of my 61 years I personally believe in you don't point a weapon at anything you don't intend to kill. On the other hand in a movie that is not possible. So I figure they have a system of sorts to ensure guns are not loaded with real shells. Due to the ignorance of what I presume is a lot of actors as to firearms I assume someone other than the actor is responsible. If only because of the varied type of the many firearms portrayed in movies. I personally don't know how to clear several of the weapons I've seen in movies and I'm most likely more familiar with a lot of firearms than a lot of actors. So as you say. We shall see. The court will decide several years from now after all the appeals. No matter what they decide the dead will not rise and it is a sad thing.
Dec 27, 2021 08:20:14 #
Good morning. I must decline to accept that the rules of gun safety evaporate on a movie set. These rules mean to prevent death and injury from the use of guns no matter where.
But I can sense now that the legal theory of the defense will include the fact that AB had no intention to shoot or kill anybody on the set. Therefore, the death and injury from the discharge of the gun in the hands of AB happened as an accident.
Of course, this business will play out in two forums: civil and legal. The legal forum could result in AB spending time in prison after conviction and sentencing. After all, he shot and killed another.
The civil forum establishes liability (mostly in terms of money), and it has a lesser standard of proof, requiring only a preponderance of the evidence. Its rulings do not involve jail time.
We shall see how justice serves in these forums.
But I can sense now that the legal theory of the defense will include the fact that AB had no intention to shoot or kill anybody on the set. Therefore, the death and injury from the discharge of the gun in the hands of AB happened as an accident.
Of course, this business will play out in two forums: civil and legal. The legal forum could result in AB spending time in prison after conviction and sentencing. After all, he shot and killed another.
The civil forum establishes liability (mostly in terms of money), and it has a lesser standard of proof, requiring only a preponderance of the evidence. Its rulings do not involve jail time.
We shall see how justice serves in these forums.
Drbobcameraguy wrote:
Yes the court will make the decision. I do have a ... (show quote)
Dec 27, 2021 08:37:05 #
anotherview wrote:
Good morning. I must decline to accept that the r... (show quote)
Yes you and I think of gun safety as a non barginable affair. I still have to wonder with the complexity of weapons I have seen used in movies if it is reasonable to expect an amateur to understand the safety procedures for most every weapon that is used in the movies. I just can't make myself believe that AB or almost any actor has the training to clear an 50cal or several other weapons I have seen used. Oh well. I will learn something here as to the proper procedure on a movie set. I honestly doubt I will be surprised. Happy holidays to you and yours.
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