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Dec 23, 2021 04:43:40   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
burkphoto wrote:
I re-read your post and now I hear you... You're having issues with slow transfer speeds, right? Get a copy of Black Magic Disk Speed Test. Run it on all your external drives and compare their speeds with the internal SSD. You might be shocked to find out just how much of a bottleneck you have!

My internal drives are 100 times faster than my backup conventional hard drive. They're still six to eight times faster than my fast USB 3.2 SSDs.

Be sure any USB devices are connected with the right cables. Cheap cables can be a speed limiting factor. The best cables are marked with a Thunderbolt 4 symbol or a Thunderbolt 3 symbol. Only a Thunderbolt 4 cable will connect ALL devices at their top speed. USB-C is a connector, not a protocol, and is used to transport MANY protocols (audio in/out, HDMI video, DisplayPort, Ethernet, FireWire, USB 1.1, USB 2.0, USB 3.0, USB 3.1, USB 3.2, USB4, Thunderbolt 1, 2, 3, and 4...). Many types of USB-C cables do not support the fastest devices, as my son found out the first time he connected his SanDisk 2TB SSD to his M1 MacBook Air. Instead of running at full 550 MBPS it was rated for, it was crawling along at 135 MBPS.

Hubs and docks can also limit throughput, so if you connect a drive through a hub or dock or dongle or adapter, test it with Black Magic Disk Speed Test to be SURE it is running at rated speed. Most docks take a slight performance hit, but a few of them actually speed things up over a direct connection!

I recommend Cal Digit docks and hubs and OWC Thunderbolt docks and hubs. For portability, I use a CharJen Pro USB C Ultimate Dock Gen 2 ($85), a more evolved version of the one Matt Granger recommends. It's been solid as a rock.
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He said his drive is internal - no USB - Like yourself, I thought if he had externals, that was surely the problem.

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Dec 23, 2021 05:48:27   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
From external portable ssd? You will only move so fast through a transfer using a cablefrom drive to your macbook. I couldn't say if you're moving by air/wifi/wireless, etc.

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Dec 23, 2021 06:02:45   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Gene51 wrote:
He said his drive is internal - no USB - Like yourself, I thought if he had externals, that was surely the problem.


Thank you for taking the time to fully read and understand my OP. I thought it was clear but most people misunderstood what I was doing!

I think the problem is that my collection of photos is so vast and I'm demanding so much of the computer. I seemed to have a harder time than most coming up the learning curve in LR. My work flow was complex at times. I would start working in LR but then if I liked the photo I would export the RAW image into DxO Optics Pro to perform lens defects corrections and and noise reduction. I like the results that I got from DxO but the result is that DxO generates a second raw file in the DNG format. LR can handle having both DNG and other forms of raw files of the same image. I would then often decide to edit the image in PS and end up with a TIFF version of the same image. The local printing company I use prefers to use Tiff files. I also a big fan of the Topaz AI and the absolute magic Topaz can perform at eliminate the effects of camera shake and less than perfect focus. Talk about slow! It was the slow processing time of the AI programs that prompted me to buy the fastest Lap Top computer that I could. When I decided that I wanted to share an image on line with my UHH or Facebook friends I would make a JPG version for the Internet.

Bottom line, I'm a creative slob who generates multiple images that are hard to keep track of! I'm demanding a lot from LR and my computer.

When I first posted this thread I was attempting to import a years worth of photos at a time. I have decided to drop down to a months worth of photos at a time. That is a lot easier on both me and the computer. I'm getting there but is going to take me a while.

Upgrading to a new computer is always a painful experience.

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Dec 23, 2021 06:06:49   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
tcthome wrote:
From external portable ssd? You will only move so fast through a transfer using a cablefrom drive to your macbook. I couldn't say if you're moving by air/wifi/wireless, etc.


Gene51 wrote:
He said his drive is internal - no USB - Like yourself, I thought if he had externals, that was surely the problem.


Argggh! Please read the above post by Gene51!

It's all happening internal on my computer. Only my Time Machine backups to an external RAID spinning HDs are external. I turn off Time Machine while doing the imports to keep that from slowing me down.

We are all guilty of speed reading only the OP and then posting our thoughts.

I like this new M1 Apple computer. I dread to think how slow this process would be if I were using a slower computer!

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Dec 23, 2021 06:27:45   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Davethehiker wrote:
I have the version LrC that takes advantage of the M1 chip. I went all out and bought 8TB of SSM, etc.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but it not fast! I made the decision to move my photos into the new computer independent of LR. I thought this would be an opportunity to get rid of a lot of junk and broken links.

I thought because everything was in solid state memory that it would be blinding fast. Not so! Importing selected image into LR is painfully slow! Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I select hundreds of photos at a time and give the a broad title like "Scotland Vacation." It's very slow. I turned off my Time Machine back up SW be cause I thought maybe that was slowing me down. Still slow......
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I use a $300.00 Lenovo laptop, it is now 6 years old, works perfectly. Oh, I shut it off each night.

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Dec 23, 2021 08:21:21   #
happy sailor Loc: Ontario, Canada
 
Davethehiker wrote:
Argggh! Please read the above post by Gene51!

It's all happening internal on my computer. Only my Time Machine backups to an external RAID spinning HDs are external. I turn off Time Machine while doing the imports to keep that from slowing me down.

We are all guilty of speed reading only the OP and then posting our thoughts.

I like this new M1 Apple computer. I dread to think how slow this process would be if I were using a slower computer!


Good morning Dave

I have read your post and fully understand that everything is on your internal 8 tb drive. But I still have a question, you copied all of the photos into the directory tree that you define and like, that sounds great.

When you are importing them into Lightroom are you adding them from your files or do you have copy selected in which case Lightroom is copying the files from one place on your drive to another.

If you are just adding the files to LR with a keyword this should be extremely fast, if you are copying them to LR then you would be creating your own bottleneck on your drive as it would be busy reading and writing on the same drive.

If you are adding the files and it is taking that long, time to contact Apple and have that machine checked out.

I have the M1 Pro chip with 16gb of memory and a one TB drive and have not experienced any of the issues you are having.

Good luck in figuring it out, I understand your frustrations as your expectations of that computer are reasonable. It should be a very fast computer.

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Dec 23, 2021 08:42:34   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
I copied the "images only" from my old computer to my new one. I'm now reconstructing the LR data base to make pointer using key words in my new computer. There is a lot of duplication from past errors. It takes time.

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Dec 23, 2021 09:35:08   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Personally, I use an iMac PRO with 32GB and a 1TB SSD. Not one of my photos are stored on my internal drive and I have 250,000 plus RAW image files in my Lr catalogue. My system runs blazingly fast. ALL my image files are stored on an external LaCie 2Big drive system (16TB running RAID 1) and are connected to my machine via a high end TB3 cable to a TB3 port directly to my iMac. The only stuff on my internal SSD is the OS and the applications (such as Lightroom and Photoshop among others. I am always running the latest versions of everything. I follow Adobe's instructions when moving to a new machine. Hope this givess you some food for thought. Happy Holidays to ALL!

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Dec 23, 2021 09:51:04   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
I've had some similar problems with transfer speeds, but never within the year-old M1 MacBook. Are you using "C" drive transfer cables, or older USBs? Are the external disc drives able to keep up? SSD external drives with C drive connectors are very fast, but older connector types - even USB II - are slower.
As others have said, once the transfers are done, you will learn how blazingly fast the M1 chip really is.

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Dec 23, 2021 09:52:41   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
cjc2 wrote:
Personally, I use an iMac PRO with 32GB and a 1TB SSD. Not one of my photos are stored on my internal drive and I have 250,000 plus RAW image files in my Lr catalogue. My system runs blazingly fast. ALL my image files are stored on an external LaCie 2Big drive system (16TB running RAID 1) and are connected to my machine via a high end TB3 cable to a TB3 port directly to my iMac. The only stuff on my internal SSD is the OS and the applications (such as Lightroom and Photoshop among others. I am always running the latest versions of everything. I follow Adobe's instructions when moving to a new machine. Hope this givess you some food for thought. Happy Holidays to ALL!
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That was the way I used to use mine. I decided to move it all inside the computer. I'm currently indexed will enought to quickly find these photos that show my old system using an external HD.

I'm still working on my indexing. I'll get there.


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Dec 23, 2021 09:57:49   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
Davethehiker wrote:
I have the version LrC that takes advantage of the M1 chip. I went all out and bought 8TB of SSM, etc.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong but it not fast! I made the decision to move my photos into the new computer independent of LR. I thought this would be an opportunity to get rid of a lot of junk and broken links.

I thought because everything was in solid state memory that it would be blinding fast. Not so! Importing selected image into LR is painfully slow! Maybe I'm doing something wrong? I select hundreds of photos at a time and give the a broad title like "Scotland Vacation." It's very slow. I turned off my Time Machine back up SW be cause I thought maybe that was slowing me down. Still slow......
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Don't blame the machine for lack of knowledge on the operator's part.

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Dec 23, 2021 10:04:38   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
Davethehiker wrote:
That was the way I used to use mine. I decided to move it all inside the computer. I'm currently indexed will enought to quickly find these photos that show my old system using an external HD.

I'm still working on my indexing. I'll get there.


You are, of course, free to do what you want. Your current method will lead to speed issues. You asked why you were having issues and I presented my opinion. Listen to my advice, or not. What you have described doesn't seem to have anything to do with your new M1. Happy Holidays to ALL!

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Dec 23, 2021 10:09:38   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
burkphoto wrote:
Keep us posted on what you find. I'm betting it speeds up for you, once all your files are in place and linked properly, and you address any interface speed issues.


You are correct. I'm well into the reindexing of my data files. It's very fast now! I made a lot of mistakes when I was coming up the LR learning curve. I'm using this as opportunity to correct my past errors.

This gives me something productive to do on these cold winter days.

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Dec 23, 2021 10:37:07   #
Davethehiker Loc: South West Pennsylvania
 
Another example of an old photo that I remembered I had but could not find because of past errors.

Now that I'm creating a new index file, I'm finding these "lost" photos.


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Dec 23, 2021 11:45:50   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
When did you get it? If you JUST got it, it may be downloading updates, indexing the drive, etc. in the background. New Macs have to "settle in" for a day or so....


Merry Christmas! You took the words out of my mouth. The indexing is something I also experienced on two new SSD installs. Had same problem with conventional SATA drives.

Santa is bringing me 3 new stand alone 8TB SSDs (Costco deal) to start a massive backup project 20 years in the making. Ho Ho Ho

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