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Oct 20, 2021 12:47:12   #
srg
 
Tex-s wrote:
My wife (skipping prelude) had to be Covid tested yesterday in order to be admitted to the hospital. The primary provider rolled his eyes while informing her she had to be tested despite having already had Covid. He then volunteered a couple of comments. First, the numbers he cited are not counting PEOPLE, but tests, as several folks got multi-tested. Also note, this doctor and I are friendly and he knows my scientific background, and that I am still teaching high school sciences at the upper levels, so I am not suggesting he has this chat with all, or even, many, patients.

1) "We've run right at 500 tests of Covid recovered folks, and none has ever tested positive....none"
2) "The rate of vaccinated folks (and I, the author here, confess, these are self-identified, so there COULD be some unvaccinated in this group) testing positive is about 8%."
3) The rate of unvaccinated, non Covid, folks is actually also about 8%. (Again, some of these COULD have had asymptomatic Covid, and actually be survivors.)

So, to my eye, these numbers give a CLEAR indication that natural immunity is outpacing vaccination protections. Even the two possible sources for error seem to cancel or even bolster the original argument, as the potential unvaccinated in the second group could also be survivors.

When there is virtually no difference in testing results for unvaccinated groups (with some error) or vaccinated groups (also with some error), but both of those are vastly different from the previously infected, it seems to this man that the whole vaccine debate is willfully omitting facts in favor of a fear and threat narrative.

A further few comments made yesterday, in the 15 minutes we waited for the Covid test to come back negative.

4) "The vaccine side effect data methodology is deliberately framed to make sure virtually none of the side effects gets counted. 72 hours is nowhere near the 10-14 days it takes for the antibody production to ramp up and virtually assures that the blood clotting we are seeing every day in this office is 'officially' not due to vaccines."

5) "Everyone in the field knows Ivermectin works, but bigger hospitals are too scared of repercussions if they prescribe it."

6) "My college buddy was part of the vaccine studies at big pharma and he assured me NO testing was done to see if study participants had already had Covid."

Any one of these last three comments would convince me to stop listening to the 'authorities' and to look beyond mainstream media for information, but let me mention the biggest bit he showed us.

He grabbed his phone and pulled up a US media version of an India-based Covid study, briefly showing us the headings of each section. Then he showed the version actually released in India. That study had two more sections. The first was the results of Ivermectin-infusion, and the second an in-depth analysis of the obvious efficacy of ivermectin in both a prophylaxis and therapeutic role. What MEDICAL reason could exist to squelch legitimate, and promising, research? It can only be money and/or control.
My wife (skipping prelude) had to be Covid tested ... (show quote)


Since you are a scientist and therefore have great intelligence coupled with the ability to imagine, I ask you to imagine that a parasite is the size of a football stadium. Then imagine a comma on this screen. Take that comma and reduce it some more. That tiny comma represents a virus. Also imagine that the stadium is composed of multiple and different entities comprising the total organism. Now, consider that the virus is comprised of only one little DNA fragment. Stretch it further, and imagine a bomb dropped on the stadium (hopefully there is no game that day) The stadium would be totally destroyed, but the little virus would probably just be looking to reproduce again and again, and again.

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Oct 20, 2021 13:35:07   #
DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods
 
Rose42 wrote:
It scares people to think they’ve been lied to. Doctors who step up are ridiculed and largely ignored.

There are many things being suppressed by the media.
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95% of deaths and hospitalizations are unvaccinated. Fact

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Oct 20, 2021 14:19:43   #
Rose42
 
DennyT wrote:
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95% of deaths and hospitalizations are unvaccinated. Fact


You see what you want to see. Fact

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Oct 20, 2021 14:25:14   #
cwp3420
 
thom w wrote:
I'm sure you told us but my memory isn't as good as it used to be. Where did you get your medical degree again? Sorry I had to ask.


Apparently your cognitive memory functions are failing. Go back and read it again s l o w l y and you will get your answer. Geez.

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Oct 20, 2021 18:21:23   #
btbg
 
DennyT wrote:
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95% of deaths and hospitalizations are unvaccinated. Fact



So far in the U.S. Check out the data from Israel and Great Britain. In Great Britain deaths of vaccinated individuals have now passed deaths of unvaccinated in some age groups. The more time passes since an individual gets the vaccine the greater the chance that individual gets the virus with more serious consequences. That's what the data is actually showing.

Why do you think that they are adding to who should get booster shots all the time? Because they now know that the efficacy of the vaccine does not last very long.

But, the side effects do, and like Tex S says, they are deliberately downplaying the side effects. One of the major side effects is inflammation and or joint stiffness. The side effect is generally being classified as Athralgia. That is the same group of joint problems that gout is in. However, they are only counting that side effect if the person returns to the doctor within seven days of getting the vaccine. If they wait because they don't know what is wrong with them then it is not counted as a vaccine side effect.

It's a serious problem. A couple of doctors from Baylor are now trying to figure out how to treat the joint problem. Prior to getting the vaccine I had arthritis but I could run, jump, hike 10 miles plus in a day, etc... Since getting the vaccine I can hardly walk. My knees are swollen so badly that I don't have full range of motion. I can't jump, can't run, can't hike, can't even ride my bike.

My doctor acknowledges that the vaccine probably caused the problem, but because I didn't go to the doctor until it got so bad that I was on crutches it is not counted as a vaccine side effect. Anti inflammatory drugs address the problem short term, but sine you can't take them full time I have had to drastically change my diet just to cope with day to day tasks.

And, I am not alone. The doctors from Baylor say that there are more than 120,000 in the U.S. that have been confirmed to have the problem because of the vaccine and a whole lot more that have anecdotal evidence that the vaccine caused the problem.

And, then there are the Myalgia sympoms and the blood clots. All for a vaccine that turns out you can still get the virus with, and which does not appear to provide protection past about nine months.

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Oct 20, 2021 23:55:23   #
waldron7 Loc: State of Confusion
 
Your data on natural immunity may be correct. However, the real issue is how many survive the natural full-blown infection. This goes back to the natural "herd immunity" policies that resulted in very significant death rates.

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