Tex-s

My wife (skipping prelude) had to be Covid tested yesterday in order to be admitted to the hospital. The primary provider rolled his eyes while informing her she had to be tested despite having already had Covid. He then volunteered a couple of comments. First, the numbers he cited are not counting PEOPLE, but tests, as several folks got multi-tested. Also note, this doctor and I are friendly and he knows my scientific background, and that I am still teaching high school sciences at the upper levels, so I am not suggesting he has this chat with all, or even, many, patients.

1) "We've run right at 500 tests of Covid recovered folks, and none has ever tested positive....none"
2) "The rate of vaccinated folks (and I, the author here, confess, these are self-identified, so there COULD be some unvaccinated in this group) testing positive is about 8%."
3) The rate of unvaccinated, non Covid, folks is actually also about 8%. (Again, some of these COULD have had asymptomatic Covid, and actually be survivors.)

So, to my eye, these numbers give a CLEAR indication that natural immunity is outpacing vaccination protections. Even the two possible sources for error seem to cancel or even bolster the original argument, as the potential unvaccinated in the second group could also be survivors.

When there is virtually no difference in testing results for unvaccinated groups (with some error) or vaccinated groups (also with some error), but both of those are vastly different from the previously infected, it seems to this man that the whole vaccine debate is willfully omitting facts in favor of a fear and threat narrative.

A further few comments made yesterday, in the 15 minutes we waited for the Covid test to come back negative.

4) "The vaccine side effect data methodology is deliberately framed to make sure virtually none of the side effects gets counted. 72 hours is nowhere near the 10-14 days it takes for the antibody production to ramp up and virtually assures that the blood clotting we are seeing every day in this office is 'officially' not due to vaccines."

5) "Everyone in the field knows Ivermectin works, but bigger hospitals are too scared of repercussions if they prescribe it."

6) "My college buddy was part of the vaccine studies at big pharma and he assured me NO testing was done to see if study participants had already had Covid."

Any one of these last three comments would convince me to stop listening to the 'authorities' and to look beyond mainstream media for information, but let me mention the biggest bit he showed us.

He grabbed his phone and pulled up a US media version of an India-based Covid study, briefly showing us the headings of each section. Then he showed the version actually released in India. That study had two more sections. The first was the results of Ivermectin-infusion, and the second an in-depth analysis of the obvious efficacy of ivermectin in both a prophylaxis and therapeutic role. What MEDICAL reason could exist to squelch legitimate, and promising, research? It can only be money and/or control.

InfiniteISO Loc: The Carolinas, USA

Enlightening information. Thanks.

sb Loc: Florida's East Coast

Disinformation. "Everyone knows" ivermectin works??? For many parasites, yes. There have been no rigorous peer-reviewed studies And anecdotal from a professional source is still anecdotal. We know that there are repeat cases in both vaccinated and previously infected folks. The best antibody levels are achieved in those who have had a previous infection and subsequently get a COVID vaccination.

A recent critical review of 14 studies of ivermectin concludes:
Authors' conclusions: Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials. http://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/

We KNOW, however, that monoclonal antibody treatment early in the course of the disease is highly effective at reducing serious disease and death.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Why don’t you ask him about those admitted to hospital with life threatening Covid symptoms... that’s what count not test

Tex-s

I appreciate your thought, and you are not wrong about user-end goals. My problem with all of this is simple. The people who most ought to NOT be in the political spin game, namely doctors and scientists, are now front and center, either bucking the narrative or reenforcing it. Not one doctor to whom I’ve spoken about vaccinations has ONCE told me vaccination is superior to or even useful after a natural immunity after infection. This is not just doctors not saying it, but many saying no when asked point blank. Do no harm is supposed to cover all aspects of practicing medicine, but with Covid vaccines, no one in medicine is allowed to care about he BEST immunity, only the politically mandated type.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Since you told a big lie with Ivermectine, why would we believe your numbers.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I'm sure you told us but my memory isn't as good as it used to be. Where did you get your medical degree again? Sorry I had to ask.

Rose42

It scares people to think they’ve been lied to. Doctors who step up are ridiculed and largely ignored.

There are many things being suppressed by the media.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

Are you suggesting that given SB's background, and yours, I should give your post more weight than his? You can ignore this question. You can answer this question. If you attempt to classify this question as trolling, it will demonstrate that you are not a serious person.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Just for you, Walmart has a sale on tin foil. They will shape into a hat if you ask nice.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

I understand the reasons for your post, but I would rather have an honest conversation with her, but only if she wants to.

Rose42

No. But I give more weight to the medical professionals in my family - doctors and nurses - than him. There are many things being suppressed. Side effects is one.

An uncle of mine had the vax but is now in the hospital with covid. Those cases are suppressed. Doesn’t matter if you believe me. I know its true.

Triple G

There are many who have been vaccinated and have been hospitalized or even died of Covid. That’s it being suppressed. You can get just about any splice of the data you want; but mostly by state.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Then go somewhere else because you will not find it here or from her.

mjmoore17 Loc: Philadelphia, PA area

Only you think the side effects are being suppressed. Main Street media has acknowledged them for months. Unless you have extreme illnesses you should not die.