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Aug 6, 2021 19:03:44   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
JRiepe wrote:
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Biden trying bring country together over covid. Guess who mostly oppose him

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Aug 6, 2021 19:30:29   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
soba1 wrote:
We cant get along in this forum and you expect it to be any different on a national political scale.
Its not us who matters to politicians its the people who donate large sums of money that they care about. As long as there is division below nothing will change. Seeing through the charade is hard to see.
We have a two party system world wide.
Called us and them


I print a piece that opines that Biden is rejecting the extreme views of progressive democrats, and that the is trying, with some success, to bring the country together--to make it work again.
Your response is negative.
The country is sharply divided and in bad shape, but a total negative rejection of the David Brooks article doesn't help.

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Aug 6, 2021 19:48:02   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
Biden trying bring country together over covid. Guess who mostly oppose him

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Don't worry, Biden said today the US has 350 million people vaccinated and we are doing fine. So all the pro vaccine people can relax, because that would mean that 105% of the US population has received the jab. I'd say that's quite an accomplishment since the US only has 332,593,963 citizens.

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Aug 6, 2021 19:55:22   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"If Joe Biden stands for one idea, it is that our system can work. We live in a big, diverse country, but good leaders can bring people together across difference to do big things. In essence Biden is defending liberal democracy and the notion that you can’t govern a nation based on the premise that the other half of the country is irredeemably awful.

The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is skeptical: The Republican Party has gone authoritarian. Mitch McConnell is obstructionist. Big money pulls the strings. The system is broken. The only way to bring change is to mobilize the Democratic base and push partisan transformation.

If all you knew about politics was what goes on in the media circus, you’d have to say the progressives have the better argument. Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene — healthy bipartisan compromise seems completely hopeless with this crew.

But underneath that circus, there has always been another layer of politics — led by people who are not as ratings-driven, but are more governance-driven. So over the past 20 years or so, while the circus has been at full roar, Congress has continued to pass bipartisan legislation: the Every Student Succeeds rewrite of federal K-12 education policy, the Obama budget compromise of 2013, the Trump criminal justice reform law of 2018, the FAST infrastructure act, the Anti-Money Laundering Act of 2020, the Trump-era ban on surprise billing in health care. In June the Senate passed, 68 to 32, the United States Innovation and Competition Act of 2021, which would devote roughly $250 billion to scientific projects.


Matthew Yglesias and Simon Bazelon call this the “Secret Congress” — the everyday business of governing that works precisely because it isn’t on cable TV.

When Covid hit, the same two-track pattern prevailed. The circus gave us the mask and vaccination wars. But Congress was productive and bipartisan. The Senate passed a Covid relief measure 96 to 1 in early March 2020, another 90 to 8 in mid-March, another 96 to 0 in late March and another 92 to 6 in December. The House votes were also landslides. If you had told me two years ago that Congress would respond to a pandemic in some ways better than the C.D.C., I would have been surprised, but that’s what happened.

After Biden was elected, the two-track pattern was still going strong. The circus realm gave us the horror of Jan. 6. But the dull, governing part of America carried on. For example, the Senate confirmed Biden’s cabinet picks in largely bipartisan fashion.

Biden’s legislative strategy owes something to each side of the Democratic Party. He wants to ram through a lot on party-line votes using reconciliation. But he also insists on a bipartisan approach whenever possible. Over the past few months the bipartisan track has, somewhat surprisingly, been moving faster than the partisan track.

Republicans and Democrats have been involved in a complex set of negotiations about infrastructure spending. It’s been messy and complicated, the way politics always is, but the two sides have worked together productively.

“You can tell the difference between an adversarial negotiation and a collaborative one,” Mitt Romney told The Washington Post. “In this case, when one side had a problem, the other side tried to solve the problem, rather than to walk away from the table.” When the Senate advanced the roughly $1 trillion measure by a vote of 67 to 32, that was a sign that experienced politicians can, as Biden suggested, make the system work.

The Biden administration has moved to separate government from the culture wars. It has shifted power away from the Green New Deal and Freedom Caucus show horses and lodged it with the congressional workhorses — people like Republican Rob Portman and Democrat Mark Warner, who are in no danger of becoming social media stars.

The moderates are suddenly in strong shape. The progressives say they won’t support this Biden infrastructure bill unless it is passed simultaneously with a larger spending bill. But if the Democrats can’t agree on that larger bill, will progressives really sink their president’s infrastructure initiative? In the negotiations over the larger bill, the moderates have most of the power because they are the ones whose seats are at risk.

We have come a long way since the A.O.C. glory days of 2019. Biden won the presidential nomination, not Bernie Sanders. Progressive excesses like “defund the police” cost Democrats dearly down-ballot. Over the past months there have been primary contests between regular Democrats and progressives, including House races in Louisiana, New Mexico and Ohio, a governor’s race in Virginia and a mayoral race in New York. The party regulars have won all of them.

As former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel notes, the problem with the progressive base mobilization strategy is that progressives think they’re the base. But a faction that keeps losing primaries can’t be the base. Joe Biden is the base. And Biden, and the 91 percent of Democrats who view him favorably, want to make the system work. American politics is in God-awful shape, but we’re seeing a reasonably successful attempt to build it back better."

David Brooks
The New York Times 8/06/2021
"If Joe Biden stands for one idea, it is that... (show quote)


More BS from Brooks and the Times.

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Aug 6, 2021 20:12:14   #
National Park
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
More BS from Brooks and the Times.


A lot better than the crap on FOX and Fakenewsmax, insurrection supporters.

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Aug 6, 2021 20:15:11   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
National Park wrote:
A lot better than the crap on FOX and Fakenewsmax, insurrection supporters.


LOL.... Fauci funded gain of function in the same lab that was occupied by the Chinese military.... Fauci should be in jail.

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Aug 6, 2021 20:19:10   #
National Park
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL.... Fauci funded gain of function in the same lab that was occupied by the Chinese military.... Fauci should be in jail.


Nonsense. Pure, unadulterated nonsense.

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Aug 6, 2021 20:21:07   #
National Park
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
LOL.... Fauci funded gain of function in the same lab that was occupied by the Chinese military.... Fauci should be in jail.


Trump, the leader of the insurrection and the guy who lied to the public about the pandemic, is the person who should be in jail.

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Aug 6, 2021 21:11:40   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
I print a piece that opines that Biden is rejecting the extreme views of progressive democrats, and that the is trying, with some success, to bring the country together--to make it work again.
Your response is negative.
The country is sharply divided and in bad shape, but a total negative rejection of the David Brooks article doesn't help.


I wasn’t trying to be negative so to speak I wasn’t trying to berate the article you posted. I’m jaded maybe because I see the Attic as a microcosm of the real world. The disrespect the meanness we show toward each other.
We can’t do it on a small scale and we expect unity from our leaders. I would love for there to be a healing so to speak I just don’t see it. If there is healing to be has it has to start with us on the individual level.

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Aug 6, 2021 21:57:29   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
National Park wrote:
Nonsense. Pure, unadulterated nonsense.


Why do you deny the truth?

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Aug 6, 2021 23:37:26   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
National Park wrote:
A lot better than the crap on FOX and Fakenewsmax, insurrection supporters.


You Democrats keep spreading that BS lie that most Republicans supported what happened at the Capitol on January 6th. Why would you want to spread what you know is a lie? What does that make you? Plain and simple a liar. I heard many on FOX condemn it and not one voiced support. It's most difficult to take someone seriously who insists on spewing lies.

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Aug 6, 2021 23:48:12   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
Ront53 wrote:
There have been many military people who have served and have died that fought against the type of government that is being imposed on the American population. It's time for that crap to stop by any means necessary.


And just what type of government would that be?

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Aug 6, 2021 23:50:56   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
RixPix wrote:
No but they turned their head when 100s of thousands died from a virus. They turned their heads when a con man worked for Russian interests to pay off his debts.

You are on the wrong side of this and you know it.


I've read a lot of his posts, and I'm less than convinced that he knows it, or too much of anything else.

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Aug 6, 2021 23:57:04   #
mikee
 
Ront53 wrote:
There have been many military people who have served and have died that fought against the type of government that is being imposed on the American population. It's time for that crap to stop by any means necessary.


Just wondering...where were you on the afternoon of January 6th? "Any means necessary" is pretty inflammatory.

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Aug 6, 2021 23:59:02   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
soba1 wrote:
We cant get along in this forum and you expect it to be any different on a national political scale.
Its not us who matters to politicians its the people who donate large sums of money that they care about. As long as there is division below nothing will change. Seeing through the charade is hard to see.
We have a two party system world wide.
Called us and them


I'll bet you really think you are smart.

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