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Aug 6, 2021 13:55:27   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
Biden ran and won as a centrist democrat president. But he is governing as a far left politician, driven by the ultra left members of congress. He is controlled by the radical left. He is either too stupid or too senile to understand the damage his actions have done. If this is allowed to continue the country may never recover from the damage.

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Aug 6, 2021 13:57:58   #
fantom Loc: Colorado
 
boberic wrote:
Biden ran and won as a centrist democrat president. But he is governing as a far left politician, driven by the ultra left members of congress. He is controlled by the radical left. He is either too stupid or too senile to understand the damage his actions have done. If this is allowed to continue the country may never recover from the damage.


Yup and that is what the lefties are hoping for and counting on. A large percentage of the population blindly thinks that is a good thing. By the time they figure it out it may be too late to change.

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Aug 6, 2021 14:01:33   #
Ront53 Loc: Maryland
 
There have been many military people who have served and have died that fought against the type of government that is being imposed on the American population. It's time for that crap to stop by any means necessary.

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Aug 6, 2021 14:09:21   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
boberic wrote:
Biden ran and won as a centrist democrat president. But he is governing as a far left politician, driven by the ultra left members of congress. He is controlled by the radical left. He is either too stupid or too senile to understand the damage his actions have done. If this is allowed to continue the country may never recover from the damage.


A n what wrong with getting things done that ne3d be done

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Aug 6, 2021 14:10:27   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
fantom wrote:
Yup and that is what the lefties are hoping for and counting on. A large percentage of the population blindly thinks that is a good thing. By the time they figure it out it may be too late to change.


He doing far better than clueless repuk3s

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Aug 6, 2021 14:54:33   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
dirtpusher wrote:
He doing far better than clueless repuk3s


Those "repukes" you refer to did not allow 1 million /in only 6 months' illegalls invade the southern border. many with active covid and then send them all over the US. Best unemployment numbers in 40 years. Best worker participation numbers ever. Getting a vaccine to market in record time. Reducing illegal immigration to lowest level in decades. Just a few things better than the previous president

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Aug 6, 2021 15:11:52   #
National Park
 
boberic wrote:
Biden ran and won as a centrist democrat president. But he is governing as a far left politician, driven by the ultra left members of congress. He is controlled by the radical left. He is either too stupid or too senile to understand the damage his actions have done. If this is allowed to continue the country may never recover from the damage.


President Biden is doing a great job, difficult as it may be to reverse Trump policies which were taking the country backwards 100 years on race, the environment, foreign policy, etc.

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Aug 6, 2021 15:16:43   #
RixPix Loc: Miami, Florida
 
boberic wrote:
Those "repukes" you refer to did not allow 1 million /in only 6 months' illegalls invade the southern border. many with active covid and then send them all over the US. Best unemployment numbers in 40 years. Best worker participation numbers ever. Getting a vaccine to market in record time. Reducing illegal immigration to lowest level in decades. Just a few things better than the previous president


No but they turned their head when 100s of thousands died from a virus. They turned their heads when a con man worked for Russian interests to pay off his debts.

You are on the wrong side of this and you know it.

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Aug 6, 2021 16:00:18   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
RixPix wrote:
No but they turned their head when 100s of thousands died from a virus. They turned their heads when a con man worked for Russian interests to pay off his debts.

You are on the wrong side of this and you know it.


This reply confuses me. To whom are you referring? If Trump he correctly blamed China < for which he got incorrectly slammed, for the virus. Stopped immigration from China , akso concemned. And saved untold thousands. Got a vaccine to market and distribution, years ahead of experts predictions, thereby saving 100,000's of thousands. The Russia Russia hoax. was based on a phoney FOIA submission. That a 50million $ commision found no colusion

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Aug 6, 2021 16:28:34   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
dirtpusher wrote:
He doing far better than clueless repuk3s


No one is more clueless than you.

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Aug 6, 2021 16:29:57   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
RixPix wrote:
No but they turned their head when 100s of thousands died from a virus. They turned their heads when a con man worked for Russian interests to pay off his debts.

You are on the wrong side of this and you know it.


Why do you insist on lying?

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Aug 6, 2021 16:30:02   #
JRiepe Loc: Southern Illinois
 
National Park wrote:
President Biden is doing a great job, difficult as it may be to reverse Trump policies which were taking the country backwards 100 years on race, the environment, foreign policy, etc.


🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪

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Aug 6, 2021 16:53:00   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
boberic wrote:
Those "repukes" you refer to did not allow 1 million /in only 6 months' illegalls invade the southern border. many with active covid and then send them all over the US. Best unemployment numbers in 40 years. Best worker participation numbers ever. Getting a vaccine to market in record time. Reducing illegal immigration to lowest level in decades. Just a few things better than the previous president


Nor has those democrats. Repukes they had 40 ft holes cutin useless fence. How many people did that let in. Just like all yuh repukes you still operating o party not country

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Aug 6, 2021 18:10:38   #
Kmgw9v Loc: Miami, Florida
 
"If Joe Biden stands for one idea, it is that our system can work. We live in a big, diverse country, but good leaders can bring people together across difference to do big things. In essence Biden is defending liberal democracy and the notion that you can’t govern a nation based on the premise that the other half of the country is irredeemably awful.

The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is skeptical: The Republican Party has gone authoritarian. Mitch McConnell is obstructionist. Big money pulls the strings. The system is broken. The only way to bring change is to mobilize the Democratic base and push partisan transformation.

If all you knew about politics was what goes on in the media circus, you’d have to say the progressives have the better argument. Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene — healthy bipartisan compromise seems completely hopeless with this crew.

But underneath that circus, there has always been another layer of politics — led by people who are not as ratings-driven, but are more governance-driven. So over the past 20 years or so, while the circus has been at full roar, Congress has continued to pass bipartisan legislation: the Every Student Succeeds rewrite of federal K-12 education policy, the Obama budget compromise of 2013, the Trump criminal justice reform law of 2018, the FAST infrastructure act, the Anti-Money Laundering Act of 2020, the Trump-era ban on surprise billing in health care. In June the Senate passed, 68 to 32, the United States Innovation and Competition Act of 2021, which would devote roughly $250 billion to scientific projects.


Matthew Yglesias and Simon Bazelon call this the “Secret Congress” — the everyday business of governing that works precisely because it isn’t on cable TV.

When Covid hit, the same two-track pattern prevailed. The circus gave us the mask and vaccination wars. But Congress was productive and bipartisan. The Senate passed a Covid relief measure 96 to 1 in early March 2020, another 90 to 8 in mid-March, another 96 to 0 in late March and another 92 to 6 in December. The House votes were also landslides. If you had told me two years ago that Congress would respond to a pandemic in some ways better than the C.D.C., I would have been surprised, but that’s what happened.

After Biden was elected, the two-track pattern was still going strong. The circus realm gave us the horror of Jan. 6. But the dull, governing part of America carried on. For example, the Senate confirmed Biden’s cabinet picks in largely bipartisan fashion.

Biden’s legislative strategy owes something to each side of the Democratic Party. He wants to ram through a lot on party-line votes using reconciliation. But he also insists on a bipartisan approach whenever possible. Over the past few months the bipartisan track has, somewhat surprisingly, been moving faster than the partisan track.

Republicans and Democrats have been involved in a complex set of negotiations about infrastructure spending. It’s been messy and complicated, the way politics always is, but the two sides have worked together productively.

“You can tell the difference between an adversarial negotiation and a collaborative one,” Mitt Romney told The Washington Post. “In this case, when one side had a problem, the other side tried to solve the problem, rather than to walk away from the table.” When the Senate advanced the roughly $1 trillion measure by a vote of 67 to 32, that was a sign that experienced politicians can, as Biden suggested, make the system work.

The Biden administration has moved to separate government from the culture wars. It has shifted power away from the Green New Deal and Freedom Caucus show horses and lodged it with the congressional workhorses — people like Republican Rob Portman and Democrat Mark Warner, who are in no danger of becoming social media stars.

The moderates are suddenly in strong shape. The progressives say they won’t support this Biden infrastructure bill unless it is passed simultaneously with a larger spending bill. But if the Democrats can’t agree on that larger bill, will progressives really sink their president’s infrastructure initiative? In the negotiations over the larger bill, the moderates have most of the power because they are the ones whose seats are at risk.

We have come a long way since the A.O.C. glory days of 2019. Biden won the presidential nomination, not Bernie Sanders. Progressive excesses like “defund the police” cost Democrats dearly down-ballot. Over the past months there have been primary contests between regular Democrats and progressives, including House races in Louisiana, New Mexico and Ohio, a governor’s race in Virginia and a mayoral race in New York. The party regulars have won all of them.

As former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel notes, the problem with the progressive base mobilization strategy is that progressives think they’re the base. But a faction that keeps losing primaries can’t be the base. Joe Biden is the base. And Biden, and the 91 percent of Democrats who view him favorably, want to make the system work. American politics is in God-awful shape, but we’re seeing a reasonably successful attempt to build it back better."

David Brooks
The New York Times 8/06/2021

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Aug 6, 2021 18:58:04   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
Kmgw9v wrote:
"If Joe Biden stands for one idea, it is that our system can work. We live in a big, diverse country, but good leaders can bring people together across difference to do big things. In essence Biden is defending liberal democracy and the notion that you can’t govern a nation based on the premise that the other half of the country is irredeemably awful.

The progressive wing of the Democratic Party is skeptical: The Republican Party has gone authoritarian. Mitch McConnell is obstructionist. Big money pulls the strings. The system is broken. The only way to bring change is to mobilize the Democratic base and push partisan transformation.

If all you knew about politics was what goes on in the media circus, you’d have to say the progressives have the better argument. Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene — healthy bipartisan compromise seems completely hopeless with this crew.

But underneath that circus, there has always been another layer of politics — led by people who are not as ratings-driven, but are more governance-driven. So over the past 20 years or so, while the circus has been at full roar, Congress has continued to pass bipartisan legislation: the Every Student Succeeds rewrite of federal K-12 education policy, the Obama budget compromise of 2013, the Trump criminal justice reform law of 2018, the FAST infrastructure act, the Anti-Money Laundering Act of 2020, the Trump-era ban on surprise billing in health care. In June the Senate passed, 68 to 32, the United States Innovation and Competition Act of 2021, which would devote roughly $250 billion to scientific projects.


Matthew Yglesias and Simon Bazelon call this the “Secret Congress” — the everyday business of governing that works precisely because it isn’t on cable TV.

When Covid hit, the same two-track pattern prevailed. The circus gave us the mask and vaccination wars. But Congress was productive and bipartisan. The Senate passed a Covid relief measure 96 to 1 in early March 2020, another 90 to 8 in mid-March, another 96 to 0 in late March and another 92 to 6 in December. The House votes were also landslides. If you had told me two years ago that Congress would respond to a pandemic in some ways better than the C.D.C., I would have been surprised, but that’s what happened.

After Biden was elected, the two-track pattern was still going strong. The circus realm gave us the horror of Jan. 6. But the dull, governing part of America carried on. For example, the Senate confirmed Biden’s cabinet picks in largely bipartisan fashion.

Biden’s legislative strategy owes something to each side of the Democratic Party. He wants to ram through a lot on party-line votes using reconciliation. But he also insists on a bipartisan approach whenever possible. Over the past few months the bipartisan track has, somewhat surprisingly, been moving faster than the partisan track.

Republicans and Democrats have been involved in a complex set of negotiations about infrastructure spending. It’s been messy and complicated, the way politics always is, but the two sides have worked together productively.

“You can tell the difference between an adversarial negotiation and a collaborative one,” Mitt Romney told The Washington Post. “In this case, when one side had a problem, the other side tried to solve the problem, rather than to walk away from the table.” When the Senate advanced the roughly $1 trillion measure by a vote of 67 to 32, that was a sign that experienced politicians can, as Biden suggested, make the system work.

The Biden administration has moved to separate government from the culture wars. It has shifted power away from the Green New Deal and Freedom Caucus show horses and lodged it with the congressional workhorses — people like Republican Rob Portman and Democrat Mark Warner, who are in no danger of becoming social media stars.

The moderates are suddenly in strong shape. The progressives say they won’t support this Biden infrastructure bill unless it is passed simultaneously with a larger spending bill. But if the Democrats can’t agree on that larger bill, will progressives really sink their president’s infrastructure initiative? In the negotiations over the larger bill, the moderates have most of the power because they are the ones whose seats are at risk.

We have come a long way since the A.O.C. glory days of 2019. Biden won the presidential nomination, not Bernie Sanders. Progressive excesses like “defund the police” cost Democrats dearly down-ballot. Over the past months there have been primary contests between regular Democrats and progressives, including House races in Louisiana, New Mexico and Ohio, a governor’s race in Virginia and a mayoral race in New York. The party regulars have won all of them.

As former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel notes, the problem with the progressive base mobilization strategy is that progressives think they’re the base. But a faction that keeps losing primaries can’t be the base. Joe Biden is the base. And Biden, and the 91 percent of Democrats who view him favorably, want to make the system work. American politics is in God-awful shape, but we’re seeing a reasonably successful attempt to build it back better."

David Brooks
The New York Times 8/06/2021
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We cant get along in this forum and you expect it to be any different on a national political scale.
Its not us who matters to politicians its the people who donate large sums of money that they care about. As long as there is division below nothing will change. Seeing through the charade is hard to see.
We have a two party system world wide.
Called us and them

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