A couple of problems with PS: I would really appreciate some help with two problems with PS. (1) Previously, when I opened PS, it showed a bunch of the last 20 or so files I'd...

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

I would really appreciate some help with two problems with PS.

(1) Previously, when I opened PS, it showed a bunch of the last 20 or so files I'd processed so, if I wanted do more work on one of them, I just clicked on it and it opened in the latest version of PS. Now, with version 22.4.3, that screen doesn't come up anymore. Is there a way to get to that screen, or is it gone forever, more Adobe "progress"?

(2) I have a picture of a Canna Lily leaf, largely greenish yellow, with some brown and red areas as well. When I export the .psb image to a .jpg, everything looks find except the greens, which are less saturated than in the .psb. I've tried really really increasing the saturation and contrast of the greens and yellows in PS, but the .jpg stubbornly refuses to show much improvement, while the browns and reds look fine, just as they did in the .psb. Is there something special about greens/yellows that won't translate well to a .jpg, or is there some trick I'm missing?

Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

cbtsam wrote:

I would really appreciate some help with two probl... (show quote)

Your #2 issue sounds like an ICC profile mismatch -- color management problem. Going to need more info to track it down. What computer and OS? When you look at the JPEG what app are you using? What is the working color space in PS? What color space are you assigning to the JPEG? How is your display calibrated?

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

Ysarex wrote:

Your #2 issue sounds like an ICC profile mismatch -- color management problem. Going to need more info to track it down. What computer and OS? When you look at the JPEG what app are you using? What is the working color space in PS? What color space are you assigning to the JPEG? How is your display calibrated?

All good questions I imagine. I'm on a 27" iMac, Retina 5K, 2017, Big Sur 11.4. I'm looking at the .psd and the .jpg on Bridge, 9.1. ACR 13.3 uses ProPhoto 16 bit; I can't find where the color space is for PS (if it's different from ACR's). The .jpg is assigned sRGB. The display is simply calibrated using the iOS calibrator, with native white point=6509.

If in my ignorance I've left details out, don't hesitate to ask for more; your depth of knowledge is clearly superior to mine.

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

Problem #1 has been miraculously resolved: I just opened PS and the catalogue I've been missing popped up! I've no idea how or why, so any assistance in understanding that would still be appreciated. Since it appeared miraculously, it might just as easily disappear!

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

cbtsam wrote:

All good questions I imagine. I'm on a 27" i... (show quote)

In PhotoShop go to the Edit menu and select Color Settings to find your working color space. ACR is set to ProPhoto and that's correct. It then passes an RGB image to PS in ProPhoto. If PS working space is also ProPhoto (should be) then you continue to edit the image in the ProPhoto color space and the PSD file is saved tagged ProPhoto.

When you create the JPEG the image should be converted to a more practical color space, ideally sRGB for display on average LCD displays. PS will handle the conversion from ProPhoto to sRGB. Normally we don't see a big difference as a result of that conversion however if the photo contains a lot of highly saturated greens you could see the change. Note in the graph below the biggest difference between ProPhoto and sRGB is in the greens.

To check if the conversion is what's causing your color change open both the JPEG and PSD files in PS and view them side by side.

Consider getting your display appropriately calibrated with a colorimeter from either X-Rite or DataColor.

Thomas902 Loc: Washington DC

"...Consider getting your display appropriately calibrated with a colorimeter from either X-Rite or DataColor."
This! Ysarex is on point here.

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

Ysarex wrote:

In PhotoShop go to the Edit menu and select Color ... (show quote)

Many thanks! It seems the relative lack of overlap in the green region between the two color spaces explains my problem. Opening the .jpg and the .psd in PS repeats the observations in Bridge: the .jpg is lighter and less saturated.

Do you have any suggestions as to how to overcome this color space difference?

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

Ysarex wrote:

In PhotoShop go to the Edit menu and select Color ... (show quote)

Following your directions, I found that PS had the sRGB color space selected. Changing it to ProPhoto changed both images significantly, but did nothing to eliminate the differences between the .jpg and the .psd.

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

Thomas902 wrote:

"...Consider getting your display appropriately calibrated with a colorimeter from either X-Rite or DataColor."
This! Ysarex is on point here.

I have seen that everyone who seems to know better recommends that sort of calibration. Over the seventeen or so years since I got my first digital camera, a D70, I haven't encountered - or perhaps I just haven't noticed - this severe discontinuity between my .psd or .psb images and the corresponding .jpg images; perhaps I haven't been drawn to images featuring greens so prominently. Do you think such calibration will overcome the relative lack of green in the sRGB color space compared to the ProPhoto color space?

Ysarex Loc: St. Louis

cbtsam wrote:

Many thanks! It seems the relative lack of overlap in the green region between the two color spaces explains my problem. Opening the .jpg and the .psd in PS repeats the observations in Bridge: the .jpg is lighter and less saturated.

Do you have any suggestions as to how to overcome this color space difference?

Photoshop has an option under the View menu to proof colors. You can set that up so that you're proofing to the sRGB color space. Keep PS's working space ProPhoto and keep the original PSD file as you want it. Before saving a JPEG make a duplicate of the PSD file and then activate the proofing function. Best you're going to do then is make adjustments while being able to view the proof output and get the JPEG as close as you can to what you want. sRGB is a good thing in that it allows us to do the best possible job of universally sharing pics with each other. It is however a compromise as most good things are.

lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA

cbtsam wrote:

Problem #1 has been miraculously resolved: I just opened PS and the catalogue I've been missing popped up! I've no idea how or why, so any assistance in understanding that would still be appreciated. Since it appeared miraculously, it might just as easily disappear!

Perhaps NOW because there ARE past opened files for your updated version of Ps.

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

lamiaceae wrote:

Perhaps NOW because there ARE past opened files for your updated version of Ps.

A reasonable thought, I believe, but all the older ones are there too! So, maybe it took another new one, or maybe PS, like the deity, moves in mysterious ways! Or maybe I did something nice somewhere - not too terribly likely - and the deity intervened on my behalf. Or maybe Adobe is reading UHH! As The Great One sang, It just doesn't matter anymore!

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

cbtsam wrote:

A reasonable thought, I believe, but all the older ones are there too! So, maybe it took another new one, or maybe PS, like the deity, moves in mysterious ways! Or maybe I did something nice somewhere - not too terribly likely - and the deity intervened on my behalf. Or maybe Adobe is reading UHH! As The Great One sang, It just doesn't matter anymore!

Alas, none of the above. I just opened a file from the display, it was the wrong one, closed it, and I'm back to that home screen without any images at all! Serves me right for making fun of the deity and Adobe?

BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA

cbtsam wrote:

I would really appreciate some help with two probl... (show quote)

In re: problem #1: Try File -> Open Recent
This will give you a list of your recent files. The list is configurable in Preferences -> File Handling and at the very bottom you can change the number (cf the attached image).

cbtsam Loc: Monkton, MD

Well, problem #1 remains. I just spent about an hour with Adobe Support, and they tell me my problem is endemic to PS 2021; indeed, older versions of PS 2021 now have that problem as well, so I'm back to 2020!!! He took some data from my computer, and he says a new version without the problem will be available "soon." We'll see.