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Jul 23, 2021 10:36:26   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
kpmac wrote:
I see you drink a lot of Kool-Aid.


He is a mindless Liberal drone virtue signaling to his party his praise of other countries poor and running down Americans who live here as lazy and worthless. That is the MO of the Democrats right now.

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Jul 23, 2021 10:39:00   #
Triple G
 
Fotoartist wrote:
What are you talking about? Just enforce the laws on the books now!

The results of 1 million illegal crossings into our country in the last 6 months is all that is needed to smear the Democrats with the consequences of their own decisions.


Did you even read the laws and policies?

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Jul 23, 2021 10:41:24   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
kymarto wrote:
Without illegals the US economy would collapse. They do the work no American is willing to do at a fraction of the wage, and without any protection, health care, unemployment, etc. They have no working rights and cannot complain or bring any suit for negligence on the part of the employer, or injury, and can be hired as gig workers and let go at any time. You should be thanking them, not reviling them. Their toil provides you with your standard of living.


I keep hearing that but so far don't believe it. I see illegal aliens working not only in menial jobs but also in high paying jobs of carpentry, plumbing etc. Can you not agree that America would be just fine IF only other than uneducated laborers came across the border? How about doctors, lawyers, contractors, paid artists, bakers, etc. would ALSO be allowed into the country. But as it is the millions of people on the normal legal waiting list are left out while hundreds of thousands of people just walk across the border to take employment from American workers. There are videos on record of Bill Clinton and Barack Obama of all people agreeing with me on that very point.

Are you also saying that America, just like every other country on the planet does not have a right to a secure border? Is America not able to choose who comes into our country as other countries do? Is America supposed to just suck it up and open the border to anyone who wants to come into the country?

Let's say you are correc about American needing illegal aliens. America has a worker program and has had for many years now where aliens may come to America, work and then go back home to their native country. When first started I believe it was called the Bracero program, something like that. I recall as a teenager working right alongside these migrant workers as they picked vegetables for my aunt and uncle in upstate NY. Then these workers would move across the country as harvesting season picked up. That program is still in effect. Problem is workers do not want to come here to work and go home. These are not the same type of people as came in years past. The present day people want to come to America for freebies offered by the Left, free food, housing, clothing, jobs, education. But they do not want to be Americans, they want the benefits. They come for selfish reasons and not to make America a better country.

Their toil provides me with nothing at all. Their toil provides businesses with cheap labor that doesn't complain. It also deprives Americans a job that is taken by someone not a citizen who will work cheaper. American unions should be up in arms against illegal aliens coming to America.

Since I was 15 I have worked full time and gone to school. I have worked ever since to provide me and mine with the necessities of life. Not once have I relied upon any illegal alien workers in my country. I GET they work cheaper and that is why factories hire them. But then again those factories should pay higher wages to American workers. Any factory or business who hires illegal aliens should be heavily fined almost to a breaking point per illegal alien hired and discovered by the border patrol.

Dennis

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Jul 23, 2021 10:48:55   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Triple G wrote:
Did you even read the laws and policies?


Did you ever try to cross the border illegally in a foreign country, even Canada? Tell me what I missed?

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Jul 23, 2021 10:51:47   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
JRiepe wrote:
And there are delusional people saying the surge at the border has nothing to do with Biden.


You call it delusional while I call it just plain lying and corruption. Sort of a potatoes/poTAtoes type of thing. In reality, one and the same. The border is truly a crisis and it is a planned crisis, planned as is by the Democrats and brought to us by the very same corrupt people to bring America down.

Dennis

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Jul 23, 2021 10:52:27   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Let's see some data on your ridiculous claim.

Is it illegal to enter the United States without permission? Or does unlawful entry warrant instant state subsidy and federal legal help to further violate the law?

Why do we have laws regarding our borders like every other country in the world? Wouldn't it be better to raise the rates of legal immigration and require meaningful skill standards that would help America instead of adding to our welfare rolls?


Well said. Of course that would require immigration reform that both parties have been talking about for about 50 or more years now. So far that is all they have done, talk about it. Each sides whines and cries, We need immigration reform. That is as far as it has gotten. Then the very idea sinks back into the swamp as usual. We would be better off to simply enforce the laws as always.

Dennis

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Jul 23, 2021 10:55:42   #
Triple G
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Did you ever try to cross the border illegally in a foreign country, even Canada? Tell me what I missed?


We’re saying the same thing: US policies are based on a “nation built on the back of immigrants” and we have the Statue of Liberty espousing such mission statement. Canada and other countries have no such policies related to similar legacies.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/policy-and-law

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Jul 23, 2021 10:56:16   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Fotoartist wrote:
Did you ever try to cross the border illegally in a foreign country, even Canada? Tell me what I missed?


I know in Mexico you will be put in jail if you cross the border illegally. But in America if you cross the border illegally the government will put you up in a nice hotel, provide you with food and clothing and offer education.

Dennis

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Jul 23, 2021 11:03:52   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
Triple G wrote:
We’re saying the same thing: US policies are based on a “nation built on the back of immigrants” and we have the Statue of Liberty espousing such mission statement. Canada and other countries have no such policies related to similar legacies.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/policy-and-law


" a nation built on the back of immigrants”. You forgot to say LEGAL immigrants.

BTW, Show me where in law the sentiments of a poem written at the base of the Statue of Liberty, which was merely a gift from France are codified.

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Jul 23, 2021 11:13:55   #
Triple G
 
Fotoartist wrote:
" a nation built on the back of immigrants”. You forgot to say LEGAL immigrants.

BTW, Show me where in law the sentiments of a poem written at the base of the Statue of Liberty, which was merely a gift from France are codified.


I did. Read the link I posted. Those policies haven’t changed through multiple administrations.

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Jul 23, 2021 11:44:50   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
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Jul 23, 2021 11:50:13   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Triple G wrote:
We’re saying the same thing: US policies are based on a “nation built on the back of immigrants” and we have the Statue of Liberty espousing such mission statement. Canada and other countries have no such policies related to similar legacies.

https://www.immigration.govt.nz/about-us/policy-and-law


I just took a look at your link. Did you happen to notice that link is from New Zealand and NOT the United States? Silly mistake, huh? Look in the upper left hand corner.

While America is a nation built from the labor of immigrants it is also a nation of laws. As you hopefully can admit our immigration laws are not being enforced. It is the job of our federal government to enforce immigration laws and for the most part none of those laws are being enforced. Our Democratic Presidents have delegated a type of non action to be taking place with respect to the illegal aliens entering this country. Of course they do not have the right to do that but I see nobody stopping them. I have personally spoken to border patrol agents who are more than happy to enforce laws applying to illegal aliens but their supervisors are told to basically, stand down, to look the other way.

Dennis

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Jul 23, 2021 13:16:19   #
dlwhawaii Loc: Sunny Wailuku, Hawaii
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Just yesterday I watched a Fox News segment where illegal aliens from all over the world were allowed to just come in a gate and keep going. No paperwork, no questions, no worries about whatever diseases they would bring to Americans. THAT is the border crisis in a nutshell, the fact that Biden is doing absolutely nothing about the illegal aliens coming across the border. He invited them and now allows them to just keep coming.

The Amazing part is the Left telling us there is no border crisis. Must be no pandemic either since they only care about American whites not being vaccinated but not the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens crossing our border every day.

Dennis
Just yesterday I watched a Fox News segment where ... (show quote)


Awesome source. NOT

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Jul 23, 2021 13:22:49   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
dlwhawaii wrote:
Awesome source. NOT


How like you to stereotype Fox News as not a good source. I sat right there and watched there interview take place. This was not the newscaster putting forth his/her own opinion on what was taking place but the actual news footage. Now I know you will tell me it was probably altered video or something but I am smart enough to see what was presented and it was as I pointed out.

How amazing to me that you on the Left tell us Fox News is not to be trusted, that it lies and all sorts of other Left Wing BS while you deny that NBC, CBS and ABC alter their news feeds and actually have submitted altered news, let's just call it lying to change the agenda.

Perhaps you should just go back to the Shores of Gitche Gumee, By the shining Big-Sea Water.

Dennis

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Jul 23, 2021 14:43:12   #
cwp3420
 
kymarto wrote:
Without illegals the US economy would collapse. They do the work no American is willing to do at a fraction of the wage, and without any protection, health care, unemployment, etc. They have no working rights and cannot complain or bring any suit for negligence on the part of the employer, or injury, and can be hired as gig workers and let go at any time. You should be thanking them, not reviling them. Their toil provides you with your standard of living.


So you’re good with letting thousands of people into our country with COVID? You post pablum more than anyone on here. I bet you’re all for masks and vaccines too. MGYFS.

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